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Post by Sonic on Mar 12, 2010 21:19:05 GMT -5
@ Ruin: I've felt that tension too. It's almost like "go ahead, disagree with our opinions, so we can smite you with our godly admin powers." It's bull. I come here to enjoy myself and spend time with friends, not to worry whether something sounds objective enough that I'll get scolded for it. We're all on an even playing field here. No one is above anyone here.
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Post by HZ on Mar 12, 2010 21:19:09 GMT -5
The entire Xero thing has been done with when Nightmare intervened, I don't think there is anything else I could say in the matter.
If you want to know my feelings, I agree with everyone else that Xero is a great guy and I appreciate what he has been doing for us here on ZV. Lord knows he and the rest of the people here helped me through whatever breakdowns I had over the four or so years I've been here.
But...that said...to quote Ruin:
I agree and admit that I have been doing this as well. But this is where I can kinda see where Alter and Sonic are coming from.
Wait, no. Put away the guns. I didn't say I totally agree with them.
My issue is that, by my observations of the activity in the chat, everything has become so vulgar over time. I know this is attributed to ZV being older and therefore having more mature members; but I can hardly stand being in the chat now because I know that, sooner or later something may happen that will irritate me and may cause me to lose whatever patience I have.
This is more of a problem of conflicting feelings; I never liked people who act like assholes toward others, as a defense mechanism. So it's tough for me to make friends with the general populous, because I feel that they somehow attribute being an asshole to one another as a friendly gesture.
This is why I gravitated to ZV in the first place, during my first years here, I loved it. As far as I knew, everyone was nice to everyone else. No need to keep my defenses up.
This is where the conflicting feelings come in:
I know the people here, They're almost like my second family.
I could never bring myself to hate anyone here and many, like Nightmare and Xero, I made into my personal role models. They helped me grow up.
But to see the people who I regard as such act like the people who I taught myself over the course of my life to never trust drives me insane. I'm not sure when they are joking or when they are being guy thingys for the sake of being guy thingys.
I may have went off topic from what Ruin's original message was, but I thought I would put my two cents in.
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Post by Tony on Mar 12, 2010 21:22:22 GMT -5
... cheese sandwich... that is all.
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Post by Nightmare on Mar 12, 2010 21:27:40 GMT -5
We're all on an even playing field here. No one is above anyone here. Not exactly. We may all be friends, but Xero and I still have those pretty red stars. Speaking of which, I think it's time I use them. I'm sorry Sonic and Alter don't think we deserve a sort of respect despite our rank, but I can't really fault them too heavily for that. ZV has always been a pretty casual community, it's hard to think of us as being on a higher level since we're not like normal admins who are just here to police the members. We actually are friends with everyone here. And I appreciate the support of the other members who do think we deserve that elevated respect, but really, acknowledging my stars isn't worth tearing the community apart. I'm sure Xero would say the same. That being said, time to play the admin card and assert some authority. That's enough arguing. This started out playful at first, but obviously people took things the wrong way and it got nasty pretty quick. I'm not without blame in that either. So, yeah. We're gonna stop fighting and get along now, or I really will start penalizing people and take proper action. No flame wars guys. Everybody kiss and make up, and move along. Thank you.
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Post by Ztrl on Mar 12, 2010 21:38:23 GMT -5
AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!
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Post by Knuckles on Mar 12, 2010 21:44:10 GMT -5
Wawawawawawawawawaw. There. Some random to keep this thread on topic. Look. Nightmare, point me to where I've shown disrespect, here or in a PM to avoid prolonging this. But I don't really see it bro. And I'm imagining that it's you being too serious or failing to see my sarcasm (some sarcasm pro you are), but that's just my guess. But seriously, point it out, not for arguments sake, but at least so I can avoid doing it again. And though I won't make an accusation, people also ass kiss for association. Like the little dude who sucks up to the bully/cool kids so he gets grouped in with them. People also ass kiss because they're fanboys/delusional, or just generally too overzealous. Again I'll emphasise it's not an accusation, merely pointing a flaw in an argument. And I realise Xero means a lot to everyone, likewise you mean a lot to each other, I do have my own board, I have been on both sides of the table for the whole respect thing, but it doesn't mean he's a god. I'm going to just be honest. I may be wrong I may be right, but Nightmare, and to a lesser extend Xero (haven't talked to you enough since I've been back to say for sure), reality check yourself. We're here to have fun. The ZV traditions and all are awesome, but if you enforce the whole "Xero's the big bad man" crap, it becomes a law. And law's aren't fun. I mean serious, stop being so rigid dude and loosen up. (Edit: I was writing this before anyone posted AFTER HZ btw, just seen people have since posted) (Edit 2: NVM, I'll stop posting till this whole issue is no longer a talking point, don't sweat yourself. You can PM if I'm needed lol) (Edit 3: I feel this post is seriously lacking in the random so...) LOL @ Tony blair. Also, mock the week is awesome (not for the easily offended).
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Post by Ztrl on Mar 12, 2010 21:56:18 GMT -5
Ok guys, that's certainly enough of that. Now I understand that your opinion of us might be misconstrued after being gone for so long. We're all friends here, no matter what.
I'm not going to agree with anyone on this matter except to say that you all need to take a step back and breath. I'm sick of scrolling through this thread and finding you guys complaining about something as trivial as Nightmare looking up to Xero.
It ends here and now. If you have any more comment about this matter please take them to your nearest community representative.
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Post by Albireo on Mar 12, 2010 23:09:58 GMT -5
Bah. Different forums are like different countries, all have their own laws.
This forum is no exception.
Now enough of that, this is the pointless thread.
HAVE WE FORGOTTEN WHAT POINTLESS MEANS?! HMMMMM?!
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Post by Professor Fann on Mar 12, 2010 23:16:05 GMT -5
Today ought to be a Frabjous Day in this ZV place.
Enough fighting, more merry making. And more Jabberwocky.
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Post by Albireo on Mar 12, 2010 23:18:34 GMT -5
Jabberwocky's a chatbot isn't it?...
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Post by Professor Fann on Mar 12, 2010 23:22:34 GMT -5
It's the most awesome of all nonsense in the world.
Hence we need more nonsense here.
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Post by Ruinaru on Mar 13, 2010 0:48:16 GMT -5
*dances like a hatter... A MAD HATTER*
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Post by Ztrl on Mar 13, 2010 1:47:25 GMT -5
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Post by Xero Bloodline on Mar 13, 2010 2:50:46 GMT -5
I'm not gonna dig the matter of my respect back up, it seems somewhat resolved. Or moved to another location, either way...
But I will apologize for not being here to defend myself, and say my own piece on the matter. There are circumstances beyond my control limiting my computer access, so I am sorry this argument about me could not be settled by me.
I will state, for the record, that I am disappointed in some of you. This situation escilated out of control. But I shall handle this on my own now, and I officially considered the matter publicly closed. So, back to making more peanut butter flavored things. Like bacon. How awesome would that be? Get on that, kids.
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Post by Tony on Mar 13, 2010 3:24:27 GMT -5
Peanut butter flavored bacon covered in chocolate?
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