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Post by J.Y. on Apr 18, 2008 17:49:49 GMT -5
Well, let me just talk about this in a simple way. But first, i would like to emphasize that the poll above should have a better choice, or 'others'.
Since i was once a Science student, i kinda understand about this global warming matter. Well, it does exist obviously. Just like Fanwriter said, it's a long-term happening. For this issue, you won't see blood at the instant the needle is poked into the skin. The skin may look fine as usual, but when it starts bleeding, you may not be able to stop the bleeding in time.
Well, in my country, global warming isn't really an issue yet, but to go out of topic, i really don't like the polluted air right now. Restricts me to stay at home instead of going out and breathing fresh air.
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Post by Nightmare on Apr 18, 2008 19:22:42 GMT -5
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Post by Professor Fann on Apr 19, 2008 2:43:02 GMT -5
And as I said, the increase of heat causes disporportionate balance of moisture in the air and that's how it results.
Even my father is complaining that it is snowing in Canada, close to where Nightmare is now. And these two people have one thing in common - they dispute global warming's legitimacy.
And now ... congratulations. You have witnessed unusual and rare evidence that global warming is real.
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Post by Nightmare on Apr 19, 2008 3:53:59 GMT -5
It doesn't prove anything. If it's snowing in April, there's no Global Warming. The planet can't be getting hotter if it's getting colder. You'd think that'd be common sense.
And FYI is't like always snowing in Canada. <.<;
And it's still snowing by the way. It's like 6 times as deep now as it was in that picture. o.o;
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Post by Paranoid on Apr 19, 2008 7:27:57 GMT -5
That sucks Nightmare. I'm in Canada and the last couple of week, we've been getting the best weather. And as I said, the increase of heat causes disporportionate balance of moisture in the air and that's how it results. so basically what you just said it that it changes the humidity...that doesn't make it snow.
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Post by Captain SpExtacular on Apr 21, 2008 20:53:25 GMT -5
Yeah, no kidding.
Yeah we have had record snow fall this year. Breaking records set back in the 70's. Yeah thats right, before all this global warming crap in 75' it snowed in April too. One thing's for sure, there will be no drought this year do the high levels of snow in the mountains. It was snowing yesterday the 20th of April. And today it hailed a bit. So if Global Warming means that it's really going to get colder, then why not call it global cooling? Or a freaking Ice Age or somthing.
I once again ask this question. What the hell melted the 3 FREAKING MILES DEEP of ice that covered Washington state during the last ice age?
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Post by Professor Fann on Apr 21, 2008 21:17:19 GMT -5
So if Global Warming means that it's really going to get colder, then why not call it global cooling? Or a freaking Ice Age or somthing. I once again ask this question. What the hell melted the 3 FREAKING MILES DEEP of ice that covered Washington state during the last ice age? Some parts of the world are getting hotter and hotter, and the influx of heat and the imbalance of that also results in other places getting colder abnormally ... due to imbalance of moisture content in the air by geographical differences. .... Erhm ... heat? (To the second question, though I don't know where that is going)
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Post by Nightmare on Apr 22, 2008 1:10:19 GMT -5
Aside from the fact that what you're saying doesn't make any sense, it doesn't prove Global Warming. The term GLOBAL Warming means the whole planet it warming up. If "Global Warming" is causing it to get hot in one place and cold in another, It's not Global Warming.
Assuming what you've been pushing as evidence were true, we wouldn't be dealing with Global Warming, but rather, some kind of weird climate shift.
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Post by Professor Fann on Apr 22, 2008 3:11:30 GMT -5
Global warming as in terms of average rise of temperature in a year of the world would be a more precise definition, as they always release reports saying "The world's hottest year ... " or "The average temperature for the year ..."
EDIT
I take back that last paragraph I made.
However, every single problem here we are talking about is to do with heat. Would you say that should you were willingly offered an education on the study of heat and wind current patterns and the science behind it, can you tell me that even this is not enough to prove the global warming is a fake?
As well, if you were a government official in the White House, will you do the exact same as those officials who were so adamant on getting rid of the words "global warming", "climate change" and even "carbon emissions" on the UN research paper, based on personal opinions and biasness that this phenomena is none existent, even when ice caps are melting all over the world, even photographed over time as solid proof?
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Post by Captain SpExtacular on Apr 22, 2008 21:07:16 GMT -5
I believe that global warming (if there is such a thing) is not caused by humans, but by nature.
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Post by Nightmare on Apr 22, 2008 21:18:55 GMT -5
Exactly. Global Warming is a load of crap, and there's no real evidence to support it, at least that we're the cause. The Earth naturally gets hotter and colder. This is not new. This is just the first time in history people have decided to bitch about it and blame humanity.
Fact is, all this bull about carbon emissions and us killing the planet is asanine at best. When Mt.St.Helens blew, it released more pollution into the air from that one eruption, then every car on the planet has ever. And I don't hear anybody bitching about that ruining the planet. That's because you can't blame someone for it.
Global Warming is all about politics. The people who whine about it don't care about the planet. They don't "fight Global Warming" so that they can protect the planet. They do it because it makes them look good to idiots who buy into this stuff. They do it so they can say "Global Warming is threatening the planet. I wanna stop it, but he doesn't!" That's all it is. Something to give them an edge.
Give people a need, then satisfy that need. It's practically the first rule of effective public speaking to build credibility. I dunno about you, but I DID study Public Speaking, and I excelled at the class, so if there's anything I know how to do, it's give speaches and read into other peoples speakings.
There's nothing to worry about. It may get a little hotter, but it's bound to ger colder eventually too. The fact that it's snowing in the middle of April is proof enough of that for me. >.>;
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Post by Captain SpExtacular on Apr 22, 2008 21:35:53 GMT -5
pshhhhhh....silence....
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Post by Professor Fann on Apr 22, 2008 23:12:05 GMT -5
However, every single problem here we are talking about is to do with heat. Would you say that should you were willingly offered an education on the study of heat and wind current patterns and the science behind it, can you tell me that even this is not enough to prove the global warming is a fake? As well, if you were a government official in the White House, will you do the exact same as those officials who were so adamant on getting rid of the words "global warming", "climate change" and even "carbon emissions" on the UN research paper, based on personal opinions and biasness that this phenomena is none existent, even when ice caps are melting all over the world, even photographed over time as solid proof? I am particularly disappointed that no one has answered these two questions I have targeted at anyone here. Please answer them, and don't talk among yourselves as if others don't exist - especially in this case. Plus, how the heck is this related to the topic at all?
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Post by Captain SpExtacular on Apr 23, 2008 21:51:24 GMT -5
That was meant to show that Nightmare had just owned the topic.
Ok I'm gonna answer your second question.
The Ice Caps melt and re-freeze each year. This is caused by what I like to call "The Four Seasons." First you have Winter(Which is cold), next is Spring(Warmer), then we have Summer(Hot), then we have Autumn or Fall(Cool). Now, there is no such thing as a set temperature for around the world, so naturally as the Earth tilts toward the sun in the summer and away in the winter there is going to be a level of variation. That coupled with the sun's varying activities and the ocean currents and stuff is going to have an effect on how much the ice in the polar regions melt. Next is evidence. Film was invented in the 1860s which was only about 148 years ago. In a historical perspective I think we can all agree that is a fairly short period of time. Now in 1957 the Soviets launched Sputnik which was the first satellite, that event was 51 years ago, shortly after in 1959 the first satellite photos were taken which was 49 years ago. Al Gore's movie (An Inconvenient Truth) starts noticing a change in the earth temperature with dates rising from 1961 to 2004 which is a 43 year period total. Alright here's what I'm getting at. Most people estimate that the Earth is around Four and One Half Billion years old. The number billion gets thrown around allot these days so lemme put it in perspective here, it is also known as one thousand million. Ok so now we can agree that 400,000,000,000,000 is a really really long time. Through that really really long period of time the earth has gone under a great deal of change. Plants at one point dominated the earth because the atmosphere was mostly made out of carbon dioxide, but thanks to that plants grew at a huge rate and produced enough oxygen to change the atmosphere and oxygen dwelling creatures developed. That was way freaking before dinosaurs and all that crap. Dinosaurs get wiped out by asteroid, and then mammals came onto the scene. Since then man has developed over a long period of time till now. That is and extremely brief history of the world. Humans are estimated to have developed 200,000 years ago. During that time we have survived several Ice Ages that came and disappeared by natural unknown causes. So when people say that the Ice Caps in the polar regions are smaller this year and that the glaciers are melting I say its absolutely preposterous. If film has only been around for 148 years and the idea of global warming has been around for only 43 years, then how can that possibly compare to the 399999999999852* or so years of unrecorded history of the earth that nobody can account for? All I can say is that IF global warming exists and is happening right now, there is no real way of telling if this is because its been warmer this past 43 years because of volcanic activity, solar activity, or some other cause, or if it's just something that happens. For all anyone knows it's nothing.
*Number taken from the 148 years film has been around, giving evidence for global warming compared to the history of the earth it's best possible chance.
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Post by Professor Fann on Apr 23, 2008 23:43:17 GMT -5
If film has only been around for 148 years and the idea of global warming has been around for only 43 years, then how can that possibly compare to the 399999999999852* or so years of unrecorded history of the earth that nobody can account for? All I can say is that IF global warming exists and is happening right now, there is no real way of telling if this is because its been warmer this past 43 years because of volcanic activity, solar activity, or some other cause, or if it's just something that happens. For all anyone knows it's nothing. I am finally satisfied with SpeX giving a huge paragraph of explanations. I enjoyed them. However ... Need I remind you that the purpose of drillind the polar ice caps is to study the rate of carbon dioxide during those thousands of years before us mankind? that's how they can compare. And I do not think that humans will want to study that far of billions of years and compare those data on a level as global warming or climate change. Volcanic activity is random and unpredictable, though it can be taken into account but you must essentially remember that volcanic activity is still rare. Its data only accounts to certain years and not in a long term period. The same goes for solar activity, since it's been there ever since time itself. But you cannot deny that industrial activity since the 18th century has been rising and spreading all around the world. The demand of consumer goods and everything like that has kept on rising. And by means of chemical processes, it always results in heat and carbon production. I dare anyone here to name me at least one activity in which there is no heat produced in the result ... because there is no such thing. And I hope that if anyone wants to argue forth, he'd better put in logical understandable chemical equations and historical backgrounds together with it (like SpeX's and mine). It makes the whole point of argument more logical, as opposed to just biased thoughts and whatnot.
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