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Post by Nightmare on Jul 8, 2006 0:12:19 GMT -5
I think that we should just bomb North Korea if it comes right down to it. Some people just don't understand anything but force.
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Post by Ztrl on Jul 8, 2006 0:17:43 GMT -5
The thing is, we wouldnt need to use nukes to wipe them out...
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Post by swimstud600 on Jul 8, 2006 0:22:13 GMT -5
Nukes would just make more people hate us, get more enemies for us. But like Ztrl said, we can erase N Korea from the map without nukes.
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Post by Nightmare on Jul 8, 2006 0:24:57 GMT -5
Whatever. Either way, America is going to take over the world sooner or later, how we do it don't matter to me much.
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Post by swimstud600 on Jul 8, 2006 0:32:35 GMT -5
America is weak right now, we're in debt, we can't handle multiple wars, our troops are spread too thin. North Korea is just one big opportunity for those sandsucking monkeys to hurt us. We need to solve this peacefully if at all possible.
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Post by ShAuNmAn-X on Jul 8, 2006 3:40:18 GMT -5
I agree with swimmy, right now we're fighting a two front war. Starting another conflict would be suicidal at best. I think it's best to try the political process first. We should wait till our loose ends in Iraq, and Afghanistan are tied up before using force.
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Post by Paranoid on Jul 9, 2006 17:35:34 GMT -5
USA is already taking over the world. Iraq, Afganistan, next stop: North Korea
and if u noticed, North Korea is the same problem that Iraq was before the US invaded, they are a threat. USA thinks they both have weapons, and wil attack to stop it.
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Post by ShAuNmAn-X on Jul 10, 2006 3:44:07 GMT -5
I don't think the USA has turned into an imperialist country bent on ruling the world. But I do strongly disagree with where the Bush administration is leading us. North Korea IS different than Iraq because we do without a doubt know that North Korea has nuclear weapons, admitted by Kim Jong Il himself.
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Post by swimstud600 on Jul 10, 2006 11:08:03 GMT -5
Not only does he have nucular weapons he's testing his long range missiles while the whole world tells him not to. I see similarity between North Korea and Iraq but if it comes to war, I think this time we'll have some help.
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Post by Ztrl on Jul 10, 2006 14:38:10 GMT -5
Japan Mulls Legality of N. Korea Strike By MARI YAMAGUCHI AP TOKYO (AP) - Japan said Monday it was considering whether a pre-emptive strike on the North's missile bases would violate its constitution, signaling a hardening stance ahead of a possible U.N. Security Council vote on Tokyo's proposal for sanctions against the regime.
Japan was badly rattled by North Korea's missile tests last week, and several government officials openly discussed whether the country ought to take steps to better defend itself, including setting up the legal framework to allow Tokyo to launch a pre-emptive strike against Northern missile sites.
"If we accept that there is no other option to prevent an attack ... there is the view that attacking the launch base of the guided missiles is within the constitutional right of self-defense. We need to deepen discussion," Chief Cabinet Secretary Shinzo Abe said.
Japan's constitution bars the use of military force in settling international disputes and prohibits Japan from maintaining a military for warfare. Tokyo has interpreted that to mean it can have armed troops to protect itself, allowing the existence of its 240,000-strong Self-Defense Forces.
A Defense Agency spokeswoman, however, said Japan has no offensive weapons such as ballistic missiles that could reach North Korea. Its forces only have ground-to-air missiles and ground-to-vessel missiles, she said on condition of anonymity because of official policy.
Japanese fighter jets and pilots are not capable of carrying out such an attack, a military analyst said.
"Japan's air force is top class in defending the nation's airspace, but attacking another country is almost impossible," said analyst Kazuhisa Ogawa.
"Even if Japan's planes made it to North Korea, they wouldn't make it back ... it would be an act of suicide," he said. "Japan has no capacity to wage war."
Despite resistance from China and Russia, Japan has pushed for a U.N. Security Council resolution that would bar nations from buying or otherwise receiving missile-related items, materials goods and technology from North Korea. A vote was possible later Monday, but Japan said it would not insist on one.
"It's important for the international community to express a strong will in response to the North Korean missile launches," Abe said. "This resolution is an effective way of expressing that."
China and Russia, both nations with veto power on the council, have voiced opposition to the measure. Kyodo News agency reported Monday, citing unidentified Chinese diplomatic sources, that China may use its veto on the Security Council to block the resolution.
The United States, Britain and France have expressed support for the proposal, while Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Aso has said there is a possibility that Russia will abstain.
South Korea, not a council member, has not publicly taken a position on the resolution, but on Sunday Seoul rebuked Japan for its outspoken criticism of the tests.
"There is no reason to fuss over this from the break of dawn like Japan, but every reason to do the opposite," a statement from President Roh Moo-hyun's office said, suggesting that Tokyo was contributing to tensions on the Korean Peninsula.
Abe said Monday it was "regrettable" that South Korea had accused Japan of overreacting.
"There is no mistake that the missile launch ... is a threat to Japan and the region. It is only natural for Japan to take measures of risk management against such a threat," Abe said.
Meanwhile, a Chinese delegation including the country's top nuclear envoy - Vice Foreign Minister Wu Dawei - arrived Monday in North Korea, officially to attend celebrations marking the 45th anniversary of a friendship treaty between the North and China.
The U.S. is urging Beijing to push its communist ally back into six-party nuclear disarmament talks, but the Chinese government has not said whether Wu would bring up the negotiations. A ministry spokeswoman said last week that China was "making assiduous efforts" in pushing for the talks to resume.
Talks have been deadlocked since November because of a boycott by Pyongyang in protest of a crackdown by Washington on the regime's alleged money-laundering and other financial crimes.
Beijing has suggested an informal gathering of the six nations, which could allow the North to technically stand by its boycott, but at the same time meet with the other five parties - South Korea, China, the U.S., Japan and Russia. The U.S. has backed the idea and said Washington could meet with the North on the sidelines of such a meeting.
Still, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Hill questioned just how influential Beijing was with the enigmatic regime.
"I must say the issue of China's influence on DPRK is one that concerns us," Hill told reporters in Tokyo. "China said to the DPRK, 'Don't fire those missiles,' but the DPRK fired them. So I think everybody, especially the Chinese, are a little bit worried about it."
The DPRK refers to the North's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
Hill is touring the region to coordinate strategy on North Korea. He has emphasized the need for countries involved to present a united front.
"We want to make it very clear that we all speak in one voice on this provocative action by the North Koreans to launch missiles in all shapes and sizes," Hill said. "We want to make it clear to North Korea that what it did was really unacceptable."
Associated Press writers Audra Ang in Beijing and Chisaki Watanabe in Tokyo contributed to this report.
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Post by swimstud600 on Jul 10, 2006 15:02:21 GMT -5
Interesting. Sounds like Japan is even more concerned than the U.S. I suppose this is like the Cuban missile crisis for Japan.
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Post by Ztrl on Jul 10, 2006 15:08:53 GMT -5
Well you have to stop and think about it for a second. If one of those missles "accidentaly" hits Japan then that will be THREE nukes that they've been nailed with. I can see the reason for concern.
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Post by swimstud600 on Jul 10, 2006 15:14:47 GMT -5
That makes sense, the Japan would be paranoid about nukes, and for good reason. But like I said, Cuban missile crisis.
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Post by Paranoid on Jul 10, 2006 15:29:33 GMT -5
Interesting. Sounds like Japan is even more concerned than the U.S. I suppose this is like the Cuban missile crisis for Japan. yea, sorta like that, but this time, the missles can be shot at any country, not just one. North Korea could be plotting against anyone in the world
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Post by SLA¥ΣR on Jul 10, 2006 16:15:32 GMT -5
I know that alot of people think we should just nuke and/or bomb N.K, but we need to rember that almost all the citizens are suffering there
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