MMZ2 Ultimate Form sucks?

[Nightmare]

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So recently I've started playing through all the MegaMan Zero games again. And by that I mean I've been being neurotic as hell about playing them all again and again and again and again.... I'm working toward 100%ing them all, something I'd never done in all my playthroughs.

MegaMan Zero 2 of course I was being rad as hell and my first course of action was maintaining a consistent A/S Rank to get all the EX Skills. That was easy enough. Then I got obsessed with getting all the forms.

After a second playthrough I made a point of scoring a form per mission until I had all the ones I was missing. I got all but one (the Ultimate Form, according to Google) which apparently required collecting, raising, and using every Cyber Elf in the game, then beating it again.

So I went on a neurotic witch hunt and ended up with all the Cyber Elves, fed them all, then used them all (much to my horror as I watched my beloved S Rank sharply fall to an E in a matter of stages.)

- Life is good now that I beat the game and unlocked the Ultimate Form! This means I got all EX Skills, all Cyber Elves, and all Forms. This means I rule, right? Right? That's what I thought anyway.


So like even after a new playthrough, all my Cyber Elf effects are still in tact. Gigantic life meter, extra sub tanks, running fast, not instantly exploded by spikes, etc etc etc... Cool and all except for one thing.


- My Rank is still going negative 20+ with each mission. Despite getting perfects or near perfects in every other field in missions, my Elf score is consistently dragging my rank through the mud with every stage I complete. Despite playing at easily an A Rank level, I'm marked E like a loser and that bitchtit Elfpiss is getting all pretentious with me when I talk to him implying I suck at my job.

This is not a thing that's okay with me (even though technically speaking it doesn't really matter since I got all the EX Skills on my first runthrough.)


- So I guess what I'm getting at is I'm asking my fellow ZV members if they know what the deal with this is. Is there something that went horribly awry with my playthrough? Is there something I can do to remedy this? Or am I to face a harsh reality that the awesome and much sought after Ultimate Form I worked so hard for has doomed me to playthrough after playthrough of stupifying handicaps and horrible ranks, with the only alternative being crushing imperfection?

If this is the case, I automatically revise my policy to lolmegamanzero2, but seeing as this is actually my favorite MMZ game that would kind of suck.

LET THE COMMENTS POUR IN.


Important parts of my rant highlighted out of the kindness of my heart and so you might actually get my point and answer my question if you can.

[Xero Bloodline]

Well I'm not the completionist you are, so I never bothered with getting all the forms including the ultimate. So my question is, is the ultimate form worth it? What does it do that's so special?

[Nightmare]

Well, it's pretty much like the normal form in terms of balance and abilities, but it's a little stronger (Normal form is 2 stars in every field, Ultimate form is 3 Stars in every field) not to mention I find it to be the coolest looking form due to the deeper red color of the armor and lighter hair.

The only ability it has that no other form has is it lets you put in Street Fighter button combinations for charged attacks (Chain Rod gets an instant charge attack with a Shoryuken, Buster with a Hadouken, etc.)

But really I just want it because it looks cool and having it means I have all the forms. It pretty much is a trivial cosmetic/completionist preference.

[Deleted]

it sucks maybe, it makes the game easier, that's prolly why Capcom made it that way.
then again in Z3, the Ultimate form became a `super easy mode` that no matter how hard I try in getting a rank lower than A it wouldn't give me that rank.
but in terms of gameplay, I guess it's awesome that you could do the street fighter button combinations for the charge attacks instead of holding B or something

[Nightmare]

I think it's offensive that they would make using all the Cyber Elves and dooming yourself a prerequisite for 100% completion by unlocking the Ultimate Form under those conditions.

I admittedly have never played Ultimate Mode in MMZ3 but I remember in MMZ4 Ultimate Mode having a broken and honestly kind of crappy Cyber Elf system. But you weren't required to be broken or have terrible ranks in MMZ4's Ultimate Mode.

But from the looks of it, there's no way to have both the Ultimate Form AND a good rank in MMZ2, unless you say use a cheating device to unlock all the forms... In other words, lolmmz2.

[Vile]

Ultimate Form just an overpowered form. It has all rank 4 stats if I recall right and has the Command Button Charge Attacks that you can pull off at any time. That is what makes it good. Its just a reward for getting every elf.


Active is still my favorite.

[Nightmare]

My favorite form is probably the Rise Form. I really like the rolling slashes from the Active Form but I don't like that they ruined the 3 hit saber combo in the Active Form. It really depends on the stage though, I actually switch forms a lot depending on what would be most appropriate for stages (stages with a lot of aerial enemies/acrobatics I use the Power or Active Form, stages with difficult to approach enemies I use the X Form, stages with a lot of enemies that shoot small bullets I use the Erase Form, etc.)

The Ultimate Form is 3 stars in every stat, so it's not dreadfully overpowered. But it does look pretty, it's my favorite aesthetically. And I would like to have it for the sake of completion and be able to use it if I wanted to. What irks me about this game is that it docks me points for using elves even on later playthroughs, and to get the last form you HAVE to use all the elves.

It pretty much means I have to either live with not having all the forms, or ruin my save file. I hate it. I don't think you should be docked points for using elves unless you used them in that specific stage, or if they wanted to dock you for ones that have permanent effects, have it stop counting them after a playthrough, or maybe undo all Cyber Elf usage with each playthrough. I'd be fine with having two sub tanks and a tiny life meter (I'm good enough at the game to where I make due just fine with that anyway) I just want all the forms as well.

But I guess the only way to have full completion and still have fun playing this game is to use a cheating device to unlock the last form, which is stupid and terrible.

[Vile]

THe only issue I can see is that bosses are 'easier' if your rank is low. When its high they do some special attack. I always associated it with a 'giga attack' per say. However you want to look at it.

I also switch out, but when I play I am all about speed, so Active is perfect for me. Rising is cool for that one slash, which they made availbile I think in 3 with an elf, as well as the down attack during a triple slash which is the time when i use it. Otherwise I'll go on an 'X' style and make my buster my main weapon and use the X form and play like X6 did. Its fun. I also love the Defense form for some reason. Just shits and giggles I guess.

[Nightmare]

I dunno I guess I just like sporting an S Rank (plus like you said, bosses have a giga attack if you're A or S.)

Seems rude to rob you of the ability to get high ranks if you get the Ultimate Form. I am not a happy purple. >:/

[Vile]

Then just play another file lol. With Active I am a happy Orange.

[Nightmare]

You seem to have missed my point in that I want and should be able to have both the Ultimate Form and good scores.

But yeah lolmmz2

[Swim]

I would say just score yourself and disregard the negative points from the cyber elves, but you want the bosses to use their EX skills. So yeah, there's no scenario where you get everything you want.