XvsY (character battles)

[Knuckles]

2 names, 1 winner

here you can discuss the outcome of a fight for as long as needs be

1st up

Renji vs. Konohamaru

before you say one or the other.. remember, their bankai are pretty even. and speed and strength too most liekly.


so thoughts?

[Ruinaru]

...Konohamaru...? As in the snotty little brat from Naruto? Renji wins without using shikai.

[Knuckles]

konohamaru taichou

bleach gotei 13 captain

wolfie?

[Ruinaru]

That's Komamura...

[Sonic]

Sorry, but if Ichigo can own Renji without even using bankai, then just imagine what Konohamaru can do to em...so I say Konohamaru or Komamura, whatever his name is

[Knuckles]

but that was before renji had bankai and shunpo

hes a lot stronger now

and really? i thought it was konohamaru

eh.. my bad

[Sonic]

I s'pose...I dunno. It's plausible I guess. But I still go with Konohamaru/Komamura

[Ruinaru]

It's Komamura.

And yeah, I think I'ma have to go with furface for this one, too. He's captain level for a reason, after all.

[Knuckles]

mmm fair do's

ok next

Byakuya vs Kenpachi

judging by what you've seen in the manga so far.. no "i bet he can do this"

[Ruinaru]

That's a tough one... Byakuya has an advantage when it comes to sheer speed and volume of attacks, but I don't think he has the raw power to compete with Kenpachi...

[viruszero]

Kenpachi has the raw power, endurance, and he's pretty fast too... But in all honesty I don't think he can compete with Byakuya. Byakuya's bankai is too powerful considering that kenpachi doesn't have a shikai. Kenpachi might be able to take a few cuts, but Byakuya's bankai would be too much. Especially considering the explanation given earlier. (That the reason ichigo couldn't cut kenpachi was because he hadn't focused his reiatsu enough to be sharp enough to cut kenpachi.) Byakuya on the otherhand has had the training to do this and to master that ability. Multiply that by the number of blades Senbonzakura Kageyoshi makes... And you end with a finely diced Kenpachi.

Now if Kenpachi had mastered a shikai... Then things might go the other direction. (Depending of course upon what his shikai was and what it could do.)

[Ruinaru]

I already explained this in the Bleach Discussion thread...

Zaraki's sword is already in shikai. His spritual pressure is so friggin' immense that the sword can't be surpressed in an unrealeased form. Look at the hiltguard, it's not like the others, and the blade is jagged. One could argue that it's because he fights so much, but Zanpakuto heal themselves, so that couldn't be the case.

He can't use bankai because it's a physical impossibility to do so without knowing your sword's name and all that. The only reason he can use shikai is because he can't help it.

[viruszero]

I hadn't checked the Bleach discussion board. But regardless, to counter your claims... Urahara kisuke's handle is different than most when in it's normal form... so why couldn't Kenpachi's be different as well?

As for the destroyed blade... might that be an effect of not knowing the name of your zanpakuto? a slowed rate of healing? or it quite possibly could be like Urahara's, it's just different that way. (Urahara's is inside a cane, a smaller blade with a cane handle for a hilt... so why couldn't Kenpachi's have a different handle/blade... )

And inorder to get shikai don't you need to know the name of your zanpakuto? And Kenpachi doesn't... so therefore his zanpakuto must not be in it's shikai form.

[Ruinaru]

Urahara's sword looks different because he modified it. He was head of the Research Division, after all. And unless I'm mistaken, we haven't seen any realeases of Urahara's sword so his could very well be in a constant state of shikai like Ichigo's is.

Kenpachi's power transcends the limits of an unreleased sword, it simply can't hold it in without being in at least shikai mode. However, it IS physically impossible to use bankai without knowing your zanpakuto thoroughly.

And honestly, I don't think Kenpachi fights very often. Not against someone who could keep his blade damaged like that, even with a slowed rate of healing.

[viruszero]

Hmm, In the anime he uses his sword, but you don't get a real close look at it. (That I remember.) And it is true he worked in the science dept, so he possibly could have modified it's appearance...

But looking at Wikipedia reveals this:

Zanpakutō

Kenpachi does not know the name of his zanpakutō, and is the only captain in the Gotei 13 who cannot perform bankai. Despite not knowing its name, his zanpakutō is constantly released due to his immense spiritual pressure.[5] The sword's appearance is a reflection of Kenpachi's own practice of weakening himself to fight: it is a seemingly worn-down and dull blade with a guard that extends inward from its center. The blade is much longer than that of a standard zanpakutō. Despite its appearance, it is easily capable of cutting through most objects

Ok, so it appears you were right, my mistake. Looks like I had confused shikai and bankai requirements. Still I maintain my argument that Byakuya would win. Even with Kenpachi released, he has to get close first.