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Post by swimstud600 on Jan 31, 2006 20:57:00 GMT -5
Here I am in the middle again. I agree completely with shadow, Bush did a great job with 9/11. He did a great job with Afganistan and getting Sadam out of Iraq. What I don't agree with is how long we're in Iraq and the fact that out economy has been shot. We're at war so its to be expected that the economy will go down but I think it should be over by now. Let the Iraqis fight for their own country, bring our people home and lets deal with affairs in our own country. At the same time not everybody can come home cuz the head sandmonkey, Bin Laden is still out there and we need to be defensive or we repeat 9/11.
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Post by Sonic on Feb 1, 2006 8:53:47 GMT -5
I'll agree that we have to look for Bin Laden, he's the bastard that started all this bullsh*t, and I also agree that there should be fewer troops in Iraq by now, but what I don't agree with is why we went to Iraq in the first place. What for? The reasons were vague as hell then, and they're still vague as hell now. Bush said we were going to find weapons of mass destruction, and did we find anything? Hell no. I think he just wanted to finish the war his daddy started, which is why they call this war Gulf War II.
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Post by Ztrl on Feb 1, 2006 11:17:52 GMT -5
I agree with you both.
now, back on subject.
this is supposedly the "selective service" thread...NOT the "political arguments" thread
-Thank you have a nice day
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Post by Sonic on Feb 1, 2006 12:17:11 GMT -5
Yea you're right...got carried away. My professor in class today was talkin about how Selective Service also existed in her time. She said back then it was done by a lottery system that would pick out the date you were born, and she knew two guys who were picked and didn't report to duty...the next day the Army came and forced them to come with them...harsh. Then again it was back in the 70s...
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Post by Paranoid on Apr 5, 2006 15:30:59 GMT -5
I think that service is crazy, its like forcing ppl to do dangerous things against their will and against their moral values.
Personnally, going to Iraq would scare the sh*t out of me, and a country that forces you to go isnt a very nice one. (no offence to USA)
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Post by Sonic on Apr 10, 2006 9:51:16 GMT -5
Oh yea btw, they sent a letter to my house a few months ago, saying I forgot to sign up with them
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Post by Fusion on Apr 11, 2006 12:20:24 GMT -5
You won't be forced into service unless Congress grants the power TO initiate a draft to the president, and since Bush is screwing up both in the house and with the war, there's not too much of a chance of that happening.
Besides, in my case, they wouldn't be able to make me go. I'd just be classified "unfit for duty"
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Post by Xzero on Apr 11, 2006 20:54:24 GMT -5
we didnt win the wars for nothing and somone has got to do it. if i have to i will fight for my coutnry i will die for my country only if i am promised protection for my fmaily i am fighting for and an end to the war it self. i am not 18 but i have theese feeligns
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Post by Sonic on Apr 12, 2006 10:01:58 GMT -5
@fusion: Dont say that, man. @xzero: Wtf, you're Fresh Meat?? And what do you mean we "didn't win the wars for nothing"? So you're saying that since we won previous wars (excluding Vietnam of course) that now we're forced to fight another war? What kind of logic is that? And it also seems like you got sucked in by the whole "I'll die for my country" propaganda. Think about it. This is your country, but really, do you know that many people in the U.S. outside of your hometown? You go to war, you die, and you'll end up being one of the thousands of names mixed in with all the other poor souls who have died in this pointless war. What a great way to be remembered. Sure, I'm grateful for my country granting me these opportunities to excel in life, opportunities some countries would die for, but I could care less for my "country". My "country" is just another piece of land on this Earth, with millions of people that I don't know. The only thing that we all have in common is that we're all American. Big deal.
Edit: Oh, I forgot to add something. You also said you'll fight for your country if that means that the war itself will end. *NEWSFLASH* It's been more than three years, thousands have died, and this stupid war still hasn't ended.
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Post by swimstud600 on Apr 12, 2006 12:22:12 GMT -5
I agree with alot of that. But I would die for my country, its not about all the nameless people I don't know, well it kind of is, but think about your future children or your loved ones. America is a good place, like you said many other people would kill to live here.
But what I've just said doesn't apply to the current war, Saddam is gone, we're no longer fighting for "our country" we're over there being killed for the "Iraqi's country." That's my problem with this, Saddam's gone, we've given them more than enough time to set up a government and defend themselves. It shouldn't be our issue anymore. I want our people out.
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Post by Nightmare on Apr 12, 2006 12:42:04 GMT -5
I would fight for my country for no other reason that I love America. I don't care if I go to war and get killed 8 seconds after I arrive on the battle field, or if I come back a war hero, because either way, I fought for what I loved. Despite all the hippies and idiots in America, it's still the best place in the world to live, and I'd be willing to give my life to perserve it for future generations.
Now, I don't feel that it's okay to force people to fight in wars, because when it comes right down to it, there are plenty of people who would be willing to join of their own accord.
You people should be less concerned by how many people die in the war, and more concerned in ending the war with less American casualties. People die in war, lots of people, that's how it works. I can't expect any of you to grasp this perfectly, since our generation never saw a war this big before, but it happens. You can't say "Stop the war, people are dying!" If we did that, we would lose, and BOOM! Bye bye America. That is something I'm not going to allow. I think you guys should be more concerned with stuff like getting our troops better armor and weapons, or just plain bombing these SOBs to hell.
Hopefully, the war will end before I'm 18 and feel the need to enlist, but you never know, these wars can last while.
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Post by swimstud600 on Apr 12, 2006 12:52:51 GMT -5
Great way to put it Nightmare. And people should definately support the troops even if they aren't happy with the war. I think you put everything perfectly, but not all of it applies to this war. If we left now America wouldn't be hurt, in fact we'd benifit. We wouldn't have to spend so much of our tax money on the war and our people could come home. And you're right, its a war and that means some people are going to die. The best way to avoid casualties is to stop the fighting. I agree we should have gone there, but I think its time for us to go now. If we left it wouldn't be "Bye bye America." It might have been if we didn't go in the first place but our job is done. I'm willing to give my life to save America, but not for Iraq, they can fight for their own country. I know it sounds cold but this isn't a cause worth dying for anymore. It was at first but now if feel we can come home.
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Post by Nightmare on Apr 12, 2006 13:04:25 GMT -5
Well, I think we should keep up the war, since I believe in helping others, and helping free Iraq is a noble cause. Although I agree that it would be nice if they fight for themselves more often, they're not exactly equipt, and if we do leave, it is "Bye Bye America." Maybe not immediately, but in the end, yeah, it is. If we don't see this through to the end, Iraq will be taken over by terrorists, and it will end up just as it did when Saddam was calling the shots, and they will be a threat again. In my opinion, it's better to keep fighting and end the war for good now, instead of putting it off until they're a problem again, and send our children to fight these guys.
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Post by swimstud600 on Apr 12, 2006 13:16:15 GMT -5
Ya you've got a point. But I also think these guys will be a problem forever. After the Iraquis are good and ready letting us die, and decide to step up so we can go home, its only a matter of time before the terrorists strike again. I don't think staying in Iraq will end the war for good. I don't even know how to win a war like this, these people are from all countries, they have no territory in a manner of speaking, they don't want anything from us except to kill us and they'll fight to the death, they have nothing to lose. On the same token, we have everything to lose, and that is why we need to fight to protect it. But its just hard fighting an enemy that is everywhere and nowhere. If the Iraqi government gets up and running that won't be the end. These people might be part of the world now, I think there will always be terrorists and its impossible to eliminate them all, you just have to defeat them whenever they pop up. But I do see where you're coming from.
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Post by Nightmare on Apr 12, 2006 13:26:25 GMT -5
You have a good point, but I think that by helping to set up the Iraqi government, we will not only be doing tood to the people, but if we help them become strong, they can fight off terorists themselves. You're right that we can never get rid of all the terrorists, but we can strengthen the Iraqi government so that they can stand up to terrorists. I feel that our troops will be in Iraq as long as they are needed. We'll leave soon enough and the fight will be up to Iraq, but for the time being, they don't appear to be ready.
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