Morality or Reality

[J.Y.]

RELLIK. Let me tell you something. To me, you are now in thoughts of two sides. one is that you're just mentioning the bads of morality and how it affects people. Two is that you're speaking as a matter of fact that you are standing on the reality side. Hence, both suits you judging on what you have typed.

Let me ask you, if morality, greed, religion etc is as what you said, what is PUNISHMENT for? If what you said is true, it proves that anyone who isn't realistic enough will be punished. You think that's logical?!

I understand why you said that and how you think, so i won't say anything more to deny your statement, since in the world there's a universal fact that:

Within a group of people, one for all exists, all for one doesn't.

So, good point somehow RELLIK, but Nightmare has his own point of view too. So let him.

[RELLIK]

i dont see the majority of people doing bad things if there wasnt money. it drives everything. free trade was different.

nightmare might as well compare now to the 20's because it was roaring since everyone had CA$H and could spend till crap hits the fan and the stockmarket crashes followed by repressions. america bombs what is it 90 different countries? how bout the outside of europe and north america.
my point is its the same crap different day.

[viruszero]

There is no morality.

Only reality. We created morality to attempt to punish those who's actions we did not agree with. The reality is terrible "immoral" things happen and nothing is ever done about it. Corporations rape the land and the people in search of the almighty dollar. Politicians make rules and up taxes to get money to give themselves raises, Then they get in league with businesses and things go further downhill.

Reality is we're going to destroy ourselves. And at a much quicker rate than ever thought before. (Potentially within our lifetime...) Unless things change now (which they won't.)

[J.Y.]

I agree. So, as one conclusion of mine......

We are destroying what we created.

Morality will exist forever!!!! But reality always wins morality, no matter how hard we side with morality. So in the end, this world will definitely go for a downhill and gradually degrade till the world has no more grade. But most importantly, if, to me, i have morality inside me, that's enough. At least if one day it's doomsday, i won't feel sorry for myself for not being 'moral'. hehe..........

[_Zero]

The way I see it, morals I can hold and hopefully inspire others to hold as well. Reality is created by us and therefore, embracing these morals, surely we can make the two synonymous? All it starts with is myself.

...

...I think.

And the thoughts of an immature little kid count for next to nothing. ^^'

[programhikari00x]

Putting this in a very simple way: As my good friend _Zero said, reality is created by us, by the choices we make, "morals" is designed to guide people to a good/Ideal reality.

What is happening here: Since most do not care for "morals," reality is now steered to a hideous path of idiocy, where there is a 95 percent chance the world will be completely destroyed sooner, or later.

[viruszero]

I would say that reality isn't created by us. It is what exists whether we do or not. We can affect it but we cannot create it.

And I agree morals are completely washed aside. So until we can get everyone to agree on the same set of morals (which is no small feat - save for the major things like pedophila is bad, but killing for example... is incredibly tough for a group consensus) we cannot even begin to punish others for immorality.

[J.Y.]

Supporters for morality! I love you guys....

See people? Looks like new members of ZV side with morality! While the other elder members just stick to reality. Staff members? Nah, that's a different issue.

(p/s: told ya guys don't judge members by their rankings! ^ ^)

[Reaver]

everyone supports morality... <.<
is it cause reality sucks?

[Professor Fann]

RELLIK said: Reality is we're going to destroy ourselves. And at a much quicker rate than ever thought before.

Doesn't taht mean taht the reason of why life is terrible now is because of the obvious declining morality? Money is not necessarily the main root of evil, in fact, it's just one of the roots of evil. The root of evil is just basically false love.

[J.Y.]

False love? So what does that gotta do with the downfall of mankind? Compared to money and greed, false love doesn't bring much side-effects than the both of these!

[Professor Fann]

Oh no, false love manifests in many ways. Money and greed are such manifestations. As long as it has anything to do with a kind of heart that is totally contrary to the original purpose of life, that's bad.

There are animals and creatures. A man has dominion over animals, thanks to the brain's power. He can treat them nicely as pets, playmates, even to the extent of eating them for nutrition. You can rear a dear, a boar too! But other animals like tigers and all that, if you have no choice but to gun it down, that's because you protect yourself. But as far as poaching to extinction is concenred, because the Siberain tiger fur makes good coats, that's greed already.

Thanks to evolution of man and brainpower and the knowledge of goods and belongings, money evolved as a symbol of exchange. Exchange occurs to benefit many people actually ad should be dealt with in an ethical manner, but there are people who focusing too much on the symbolism of money itself. They reap more adn more but that's becuase of the terrible greed. So in teh economical field, many people make money to survive but by following the basic laws and systems, but where black markets exists, that's already bad. It's the result of false love to yourself - you become greedy because of chasing so much for money, you become evil for chasing so much for power - do you not love yourself by then? Money and power are mere symbolisms of human brain power.

There is something much more powerful and greater than power and money to worth holding on. It is originally out of that something where power and money arose.

[J.Y.]

That reminds me.....where are you from M'siaFanWriter? Which part of Malaysia?

[_Zero]

viruszero said:

I would say that reality isn't created by us. It is what exists whether we do or not. We can affect it but we cannot create it.

And I agree morals are completely washed aside. So until we can get everyone to agree on the same set of morals (which is no small feat - save for the major things like pedophila is bad, but killing for example... is incredibly tough for a group consensus) we cannot even begin to punish others for immorality.

It exists whether we are here or not, but in a sense, do we not create our own reality? Our actions are what people judge us by and also the many other choices we make. In a sense, we are contributing, in a sense, we are paving that road. It depends on your point of view. ^^

And then there comes the whole punishment thing. Just don't do things you will regret and things which are unjust and you'll do fine.

I think.

^^'

[J.Y.]

Yup. I rather stop thinking in such a complicated way. I rather be a simple-minded student until i completed my UEC. At least i don't have that much to bother about. Even though the world will go chaos one day, at least i lived my days till the fullest. So there's nothing i'm regretful of..right? ^ ^