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Post by Paranoid on May 16, 2007 15:27:32 GMT -5
Let's even the scales a little. A group without a leader is aimless. No matter how united they are, they won't be able to create teamwork by themselves. A leader without a team is solitary. He himself can create a dream team by himself and make it the best. Let's say that Leadership brings Teamwork. Well I agree partly. I leader can form his team, however a team without a cause can also create a leader.
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Post by J.Y. on May 16, 2007 17:02:25 GMT -5
Well I agree partly. I leader can form his team, however a team without a cause can also create a leader. A team can create a leader....but just wait till this team has conficts on picking a leader. Even though it's not obvious to us or from the outside, people within a team with the same goal and aim would think personally that he got the right skills for being a leader. Hence, there would be an intense struggle for the leader post. Through these conflicts, you can say that they do it in peace and pick out a righteous leader. But unfortunately, there are some of those who wants to be the leader too, although not revealling his true self. With the unsatisfaction inside him, he would lose faith in his team, in other words, starts to dislike the team and its way or 'treating' him. But of course, if there is one very SPECIAL person in the team which every recommends, he could be the leader and maintain peace in the team. But usually, this special person is the creator of this team....and he needs to recruit members...so isn't that leadership which plays the main role?
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Post by viruszero on May 16, 2007 21:47:51 GMT -5
There is no such thing as a team without leadership... Someone has to direct everyone, otherwise arguements breakout about how things should be done. (Sure some arguments still happen but there are fewer than if everyone tried to come to a general consensus.) Not to mention conflict resolution takes a long time with even just 2 people, the more there are the harder it can get...
All one has to do is think of trying to serve food at supper and one can see the problem... Everyone likes something different but it's highly impractical for every person to make their own meal... and in that regard it's quite similar to how a team needs a leader, someone to say this is how it works, made the decisions and if things go wrong, they figure out how to fix it.
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Post by Paranoid on May 17, 2007 8:31:10 GMT -5
I guess a team is really nothing with out a cause. If they don't have a direction to move in or a purpose, then they are nothing. So I think a leader is the one who actually makes the team.
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Post by J.Y. on May 17, 2007 16:46:25 GMT -5
So good! Leadership is the most important thing compared to teamwork.
Leadership comes first, Teamwork follows.
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Post by Peytral on May 18, 2007 22:24:42 GMT -5
But whats the point of leadership without a team?
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Post by J.Y. on May 19, 2007 7:31:21 GMT -5
And what's the point of teamwork without a leader?
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Post by Peytral on May 19, 2007 7:36:56 GMT -5
Then it's a paradox. Neither can survive without the other.
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Post by J.Y. on May 19, 2007 7:42:18 GMT -5
Unfortunately, nope.
A team with a leader is one of the best teams, but without teamwork, the entire team will crumble WITH its leader. Do you think so? Sorry, I don't though. If the leader himself can bring up unity and teamwork, than his entire team would be one of the best. If the leader couldn't do so, then there's no way he would've been a leader.
As a contrary, let's say that there's a guy that has true leadership. You may think that yes it's the same, since this is like a paradox or something. But you may consider that if everyone acknowledges this leader right here, they would all respect him and his decisions, when all views become 1, then unity will arise, as well as teamwork.
Leadership brings teamwork. Teamwork doesn't bring leadership, only conflicts on who is to be the leader.
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Post by Paranoid on May 19, 2007 8:02:59 GMT -5
Leadership creates teamwork and therefore wins
it's like all those sports movies I hate where a coach makes a crappy team win
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Post by viruszero on May 19, 2007 15:43:06 GMT -5
"Oh yeah, the other team completely outclasses us in every way possible. They're stronger, faster, bigger, meaner, and they have perfect teamwork. But because we're the heroes/underdogs we're guaranteed to win."
Oh yeah I just love those inspirational movies... [/sarcasm]
Teamwork can only be relied upon for so much, there is an individual amount that must be done as well. Everyone has their part to play and no matter how well one does, if the rest do poorly, then teamwork suffers and it can only take you so far to begin with. So that being said, sometimes it is best simply to do things solo. Like small to medium sized school projects. (I can't be the only one that usually ends up working with a dysfunctional group who always end up making me do all the work...)
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Post by Paranoid on May 19, 2007 16:19:11 GMT -5
Well I now have a point that shows how much more important teamwork is. My relay team got first place a couple days ago, and we are gonna move on to the next, bigger competition now. We have an exceptional coach. All of our our schools relay teams got first because our coach is just that great, and he leads us and teaches us.
but now two of the team members aren't coming to practices. we need to practice exchanging the baton, and if we don't get enough practice for next week, we might not move on past that meet. So we don't have teamwork, and a great leader. It's the team that really does the work, the leader can only guide.
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Post by Nightmare on May 19, 2007 19:50:20 GMT -5
You beed both. A Leader is necessary in any team, but without good teamwork, nothing the leader says or does will make a difference.
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Post by K.O. on May 20, 2007 10:37:58 GMT -5
I agree with Nightmare. It takes a good leader to coordinate a team and ensure good teamwork.
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Post by Professor Fann on May 20, 2007 11:16:52 GMT -5
And the leader must enforce whatever policy is most beneficial for the team.
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