Ghost talk

[J.Y.]

Well, many of us have heard of the existence of ghosts before, where they either take form of ghosts and possesses one's body to do things beyond his ability and will; into a murdering ghost which kills and tortures anyone it wants its revenge on; into a poltergiest which loves hiding in others' houses and mess around with them; or maybe even as a force that haunts you in every dream you have.

Personally, and as this is the only applicable fact i know, for cases above. I won't say it's the acts of ghosts. It IS not that clear and specific enough. So i will say:

The UNSEENABLES.

So what say you? At your point of view, do you think that ghosts or supernatural beings or unseenables exist in our worlds, roaming around us everyday unknowingly by normal humans? Or do you think it's just some kind of mystic force or energy which causes such effects?

Voice out your opinion guys. Would appreciate it THIS TIME.

[Professor Fann]

Sure they exist, but just that our eyes cannot register them at all.

Essentially they are all categorized as spirits, but they have different terms because of the motives of their actions and their hearts.

Then again, almost everyone cannot understand issues like this so easily.

Confucius said: "We don't understand life, how can we even understand death?"

Applies exactly here as well.

[Nightmare]

I believe something like ghosts exist. I'm not so sure the ghosts I believe in are necessarily spirits of the dead, or something of the like, but rather another kind of being that exists that we cannot necessarily see.

I don't know how to explain it, it kinda defies all logic, but I do believe I've seen something of the sort, and witnessed the acts of one, and sensed the presence of another.

It's entirely possible that I was just seeing things, there were reasonable explinations for the things that happened, and I was just feeling ill, but for some reason, that doesn't feel right to me.



EDIT: Off topic, but can you please not put joke answers on polls in the controversial board? They're annoying enough on normal polls, but we're kinda here for serious discussion.

[swimstud600]

Its a well known fact that people love scaring themselves, and each other.

Maybe it was a trick of light or you just misinterperted what you saw, or *gasp* you actually misplaced your keys and decided to blame it on a ghost to make yourself feel less stupid.

I've heard enough ghost stories, seen enough documentries on TV and its all utter garbage. And yet some people swallow it, determined to believe in 'ghosts' when they deny the existance of a God or of global warming. We're not going to debate those in this thread but can you see what I'm getting at, how stupid that seems? Everyone should be free to believe what they want to believe but still.. there's a lot more evidence for the above mentioned topics, on both sides of the topic, than there is for ghosts.

If, such spirits did exist, don't you think they'd have better things to do than open your front door and force you to get up? If a ghost did in fact reveal itself to you, wouldn't it have a grander purpose? Maybe direct you to a child that was lost in the woods, show you how to get out of a cave, tell you how to stop a war? I dunno, I think if there were spirits, whether they were sent down or they're acting on their own, would do something more than just mess with you.

[Nightmare]

I don't know Swim. Like I said, there could just be reasonable explinations for it all, but yeah, first hand experience. I'm not saying this because I just saw some bullshit documentary and said "OMG GHOSTS!" I actually believe I saw something. I can't say I'm 100% certain, but yeah.

And don't bring up God as if it's existance is fact. I've seen more evidance of the existance of ghosts than I've ever seen of God. And both ideas are pretty much the same. Something more than what we can see. If you believe in God, then you do believe that there's more to the world around us than what we see. So why would the ideas of some sort of "spirits" be so weird? If anything, I think the idea of spirits messing with us is more plausible than some godly being watching over and commanding our world.

Personally, I'd like to say that what I saw was just my eyes playing tricks on me, and that the doors just fly open and stuff move around because I'm an idiot, but I can't, and Idon't know how else to explain it.


You don't have to believe it. If you've never had an experience where you saw something that you couldn't explain, then you have no reason to believe it. I'm just saying that I've seen things that I don't know how else to explain. Like I mentioned before, I'm not adamant on the idea of ghosts existing, but what else could it have been? Until I can answer that and be sure, I don't know that I can change my mind.

[swimstud600]

May 5, 2008 13:55:11 GMT -5 Nightmare said:

Like I mentioned before, I'm not adamant on the idea of ghosts existing, but what else could it have been? Until I can answer that and be sure, I don't know that I can change my mind.

It could have been the wind, a trick of light, someone else (an actual person) could've moved the object, you could've and forgotten, maybe your mind is playing tricks on you. There are loads of other things it could have been.

But like I said, you can believe in whatever you want to believe in. I'm just answering the polls question, no, I do not believe in ghosts.

[Nightmare]

Well, according to my brother, ghosts are more or less a figment of the imagination, that can be induced into appearing to be reality by electrical signals coming from just about anything that plays tricks on the brain.

In other words, ghosts are only real if you believe in them, and you can see or feel things if an irregular electrical signal messes with your head and you think it's a ghost.

I don't know about you guys, but more often than not, if my brother says something, then it's true (unless he's blaming something he did on me...) so I'm convinced. Exactly what I'm convinced of, I'm not sure...

I guess to answer the question "Do ghosts (as in spirits) exist?" then the answer is "No." But if do ghosts, as in hallucinations induced by electromagnetic signals, exist, then yes, I'd say they do.


As for ghosts physically messing with stuff around you, my brother and sister gave this long explination about one's own concept of reality and how it effects the things around us... It was complicated and pretty inconclusive, but in a nutshell, in theory, it also has to do with the imagination and the subconcious..

[Captain SpExtacular]

No ghosts. The only ones that exist are the ones in your head. The human imagination is a wonderus thing.

[FDSuprema]

Actually, I do believe that ghosts exist, because of the fact that I have had experiences with them. believe me or don't believe me, your choice,

All I have to say is that Ghosts, or Spirits, if you will, are not necessarily the spirits of the dead. what I believe they are, are copies of our DNA imprinted into the world around us, and made temporarily physical by some sort of electrical pulse or some rip in the fabric of reality. Or maybe, Just maybe, they could be creatures from another reality. But whatever they are, they exist.

EDIT: I couldn't get the poll to work...

[viruszero]

I believe they exist... otherwise how do you explain all the document cases of hauntings where emf/temperture readings coupled with video, photography and electronic voice phenominal show that there is indeed something there...

Sure you could say it's faked... BUT I disagree because these people are doing this to prove scientifically that a ghost exists in a place... Not ruin their reputations because let's face it, they already have trouble getting people to believe them as many are skeptical about ghosts and don't know enough about them.


And Swim... Ghosts typically are remnants of people, and they aren't always good... Sure there are good spirits which help people, but majority are spirits of those who died either in horrible manners or were terrible people in life and died but for whatever reason couldn't do whatever happens to people after they die... (Be it go to heaven or the spirit simply disperses into the atmosphere, no idea.) And thus these spirits are left for people to have to deal with. Some of them just want to be left alone, some feel vengeful and take it out on anyone nearby... But I would think they cannot just wander around the world, likely they're tied to the point they died or some point they felt particularly strong about in their life.

[swimstud600]

See, I don't believe the spirits can simply wander the world. I think when a person dies they're sent to either heaven or hell, and if there is some cause, some purpose that the angel or demon is sent out to fulfill then they are sent back to earth until that purpose is completed. Which is why I think that if there were spirits here on earth, they wouldn't be wasting time stealing car keys and opening doors, not unless those were signs which made a person get up and do something, or see something that they would otherwise have missed.
And from the sound of all these stories, most of the 'ghosts' just seem to be messing with people. And as I said in my earlier posts, there are loads of other explainations as to why such things have happened.

[FDSuprema]

Yes but swim, Like I said in my earlior post, What if, these ghosts that mess with us are imprints of our DNA left behind when we die. and if thats so imagine what these imprints are feeling.. they don't know that they are copies, and they suddenly became invisible so people can't see them, All they want is acknowledgement that they are there. but like you said swim, when a person dies they are sent to heavon or hell, at least some people think that. but that is off-topic, All i'm saying is that ghosts aren't souls.

[viruszero]

I'm not sure what they are either... Possibly psionic impressions left behind from out lives... (As in the case of some poltergeists... they are just particularly powerful psionic presences created by the victim though particularly powerful emotions.)
Though I don't think it's DNA... as once we die the dna begins to break down. I'm not sure I can say it's a soul because I'm not sure of an afterlife... (I don't buy into the whole God thing.)

[FDSuprema]

Yes but Awhile ago I saw a Documentary that I do not believe it was fake. was bout a little girl who had basically a ghost companion, whom she later pointed out in an old picture, yet she had never seen him before.. and if the impression is merely psionic the impression would not take on a human form. so thats why I think that it is rather an impression of our genetic makeup, or DNA...

However I am not sure as to what they truly are, this is what I believe they are, yet still I still like my other theory from 2 posts before.

[viruszero]

It wouldn't have been her psi energies... It would have been a remnant of the boy who had lived and was from the photo... That's why it would have his form despite she had never seen him.

But it's for poltergeists where they can be our own psionics reflecting back on us. Though because of the nature of it, and due to the fact it's driven by our subconscious and high emotional levels they can take any form at all... Even if we don't realise it.
But if the poltergeist is a result of our own mind then it can typically be resolved with counseling and stress relieving sessions/ treatments.