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Nov 1, 2006 16:57:00 GMT -5
Post by RELLIK on Nov 1, 2006 16:57:00 GMT -5
ya bout us getting owned, its not possible. even if america's military was down theres the un. i have no idea hwy going into iraq wuold get osama.spent the first what ~3 months "vacationing". as for war its not really. sure people fight back and not all are terrorists but what would you do if some guy with an m16 from another country was making you get out of your home.
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Nov 1, 2006 17:21:22 GMT -5
Post by Knuckles on Nov 1, 2006 17:21:22 GMT -5
just to go with swim on something btw. yeah AMERICA is safer with bush in charge... but what about the rest of us?
and the war is more incitement of violence against the west btw..
just an addition
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Bush
Nov 1, 2006 17:35:11 GMT -5
Post by Nightmare on Nov 1, 2006 17:35:11 GMT -5
@alter: I wasn't flaming anyone. I admit, my words might have been a little strong, but I wasn't flaming you or your opinions, just stating my own opinions as well as facts. Now, I'll say it right now, I don't get "brainwashed" by the media. I watch the news, I listen to the radio, I pay attention too the facts and draw my own opinions from there. I suppose the US getting "owned" by Iraq isn't quite possible, but think of it this way. The happenings of 9/11 wasn't the US getting "owned", but it still sucked. If we don't get rid of the terrorists like Osama Bin Laden, and the many terrorists in Iraq, we're going to be seeing alot more 9/11's. As for John Kerry being a traitor, he betrayed not only the Vietnam veterans, but all war veterans. He insulted our troops in Iraq, and made a mockery of the soldiers in the Vietnam War. I'm not going into deep details on this, but did you even hear what he said yesterday? I heard it all over the news and radio, and I was pissed... As for your "proven facts" of George Bush being a bad President, there are not proven facts of such a thing. Anyone can say what they want now, but you all just wait, our grand kids will be learning about George Bush in history class and they'll be taught what a great President he was because of how well he handled the happenings of 9/11 and the war on terror. And for the record, I'm not basing my "theory" of George Bush being a good President off of "Kerry couldn't have done better." I'm basing it off of how well he handled everything that's come his way during his terms as President, and on how well he's done his job. Also, I'm going to say it here and now and not jump back to the subject, but people saying that George Bush didn't win the election fairly is just the democrats being sore losers. That's it. Democrats think they're smarter than the rest of the world, and they can't believe that they could lose to someone they look at as inferior. Face it, the American people have spoken, George Bush was the better candidate in both elections, and even if there are alot of people out there shouting about how bad a president he is, the majority knows he's doing his job right. That's enough of that, if I wanted to discuss the wrong-doings of the democrats, I'd make another thread. I'll say Alter, you made some pretty good points, but you seem to lack the "proven facts" you say that I require, and fail to recognize the ones I've placed before you. I guess what you said about academic grades not mattering proved true, because I'm a B+ student.
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Bush
Nov 1, 2006 17:53:59 GMT -5
Post by swimstud600 on Nov 1, 2006 17:53:59 GMT -5
I gotta disagree with you on one thing Nightmare, George Bush did have the majority. But now the majority does not believe he's doing his job right and that is a proven fact. People have begun to change their minds and regret voting the way they did. Ztrl, I believe is a good example of that, he's said before he was a republican until Bush came along. And Kerry? Bush has his faults but I'll take him over that f**king idiot any day. The difference between the two is simple: Bush does not take care of problems here in the US. Kerry actively creates problems here in the US.
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Nov 1, 2006 17:55:17 GMT -5
Post by Tony on Nov 1, 2006 17:55:17 GMT -5
The truth is, I don't know how to feel about Bush. With everything going on with the war, I wouldn't say he's one of the BEST Presidents mainly because he's not bur I'm not going into that. But on the other hand, the country has fallen into ruin and order hasn’t been replaced by complete anarchy (...yet), so he must be doing SOMETHING right.
So, he's average, I'm sure he's doing a better job than Kerry would have done.
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Bush
Nov 1, 2006 18:16:26 GMT -5
Post by Nightmare on Nov 1, 2006 18:16:26 GMT -5
And Kerry? Bush has his faults but I'll take him over that f**king idiot any day. The difference between the two is simple: Bush does not take care of problems here in the US. Kerry actively creates problems here in the US. I'll have to write that one down, that's gold. XD But even though alot of people are changing their minds, I think that has to do with the drive by media. George Bush has devoted himself to keeping us safe, he's fighting a war to protect not only the US, but countries all over, he's cut taxes (alot), and done great as far as going a good job despite the constant opposition he's recieving. George Bush has done a good job, it's just the liberal media that's blowing alot of things out of porportion too make him look bad. The only truly bad thing that I can see has happened since George Bush came into office is the national debt, but we're at war. Bush or not, we'd have a rather high national debt since we're at war... Believe me, my decision to like George Bush isn't based on me being biased since I'm a Republican, I like George Bush because he's repeatedly proven too me he's worthy of my respect, and I can trust him with my country, and life.
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Nov 1, 2006 18:33:07 GMT -5
Post by swimstud600 on Nov 1, 2006 18:33:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I came up with that just now, pretty good I thought, feel free to quote me It couldn't hurt to get problems at home taken care of, as well as those on the other side of the world though. Thats what I'd like to see this next election, someone that'll keep us safe but also ease our debt problems. If such a candidate exists he'll probably have my vote. I don't play parties because the way I see it, republicans and democrats are both idiots.
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Nov 2, 2006 10:55:15 GMT -5
Post by Captain SpExtacular on Nov 2, 2006 10:55:15 GMT -5
The other thing is you cant say that the world is worse off with Sadam gone and most of Alkida(i know its not spelled right), I mean really dont you think we should finish what we started. We cant just quit now, so we need to stay the chourse of the war.
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Nov 2, 2006 14:20:23 GMT -5
Post by Knuckles on Nov 2, 2006 14:20:23 GMT -5
(quick post) my facts are things like ILLEGAL WAR response to New Orleans his pretty much complete destruction of everyone elses view of america being good guys creation of greater debt causing a economic recession creating paranioa (although thats medias fault too) generally these things
i dno if kerry woulda been better.. but i reckon Gore woulda... and maybe you dont wanna get into the specifics.. but i would like to know how exactly kerry BETRAYED america and became a TRAITOR... maybe hes a moron.. but i dont see him being a traitor.. and what was that about the bush's funding al qaida and saddam?
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Bush
Nov 2, 2006 18:02:54 GMT -5
Post by RELLIK on Nov 2, 2006 18:02:54 GMT -5
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Nov 2, 2006 22:02:26 GMT -5
Post by Captain SpExtacular on Nov 2, 2006 22:02:26 GMT -5
ok....never heard that one.
@knuckels: So what makes a war legal?
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Bush
Nov 3, 2006 9:53:32 GMT -5
Post by Sonic on Nov 3, 2006 9:53:32 GMT -5
Before I make my opinion heard, I have to say I agree with Swim, Democrats and Rebublicans alike can be f*cking idiots, except this time the Republicans are being bigger idiots for dragging on this stupid, pointless war. Do you all know that the month of October has seen the highest death rate of our troops since the war began in March 2003? Troops are now being forced to take turns (i.e. they go home for a few months then have to come back) because that's how few we have to fight this "war." Also, in case you diehard Bush supporters haven't noticed, Congress is being taken back by the Democrats. I guess the majority of the citizens that you were rambling about must've accidentally voted for the big "D" in the voting booth instead of the big "R", Nightmare. This normally would be the end of my little sermon, but in these threads I usually have to make my point more than once or twice, just to let the message sink in. America is no longer satisfied with Bush or his war. Period. If that still doesn't convince you, then I have a nice little news bulletin that I found on Yahoo, posted up just 2 hours ago. My favorite lines out of the article are these: Democrats said they were ahead in many races because of the public's growing dissatisfaction with the war in Iraq. Polls show that a clear majority of Americans see the war as a mistake and far fewer support the president's handling of it.Get the full article here. news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/ap_on_el_ge/election_rdp
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Nov 3, 2006 10:51:22 GMT -5
Post by Fusion on Nov 3, 2006 10:51:22 GMT -5
You just watch, Sonic. NMMZ's gonna stop by this thread and claim that that's a biased statement.
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Nov 3, 2006 11:20:04 GMT -5
Post by Sonic on Nov 3, 2006 11:20:04 GMT -5
Haha, biased? Nah, just making my point. Nightmare knows how I am when it comes to debates xD
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Nov 3, 2006 11:23:20 GMT -5
Post by Captain SpExtacular on Nov 3, 2006 11:23:20 GMT -5
1775-1783 (1) Revolutionary War 25324 -- 1789 Indian Wars 6125 -- 1798-1800 Franco-Amer Naval War 20 -- 1801-1815 Barbary Wars 35 -- 1812-1815 War of 1812 2260 -- 1814 Marquesas Islands 4 -- 1822-1825 West Indies 3 -- 1832 Sumatra 2 -- 1835-1836 Texas War Of Independence 704 -- 1846-1848 Mexican War 13283 -- 1855 Fiji 1 -- 1859-1860 Texas Border Cortina War 5 -- 1861-1865 (2) Civil War, North 363,020 -- 1861-1865 (2) Civil War, South 199110 -- 1853 Japan 5 -- 1867 Formosa 1 -- 1870 Mexico 1 -- 1871 Korea 4 -- 1898 Spanish American War 2893 -- 1899-1902 Philippines War 4273 -- 1899 Samoa 4 -- 1900 China Boxer Rebellion 53 -- 1902-1913 Moro Campaigns 130 -- 1904 Dominican Republic 1 -- 1911-1919 Mexico 19 -- 1912 Nicaragua 5 -- 1915-1920 Haiti 146 -- 1916-1922 Dominican Republic 144 -- 1917-1918 World War I 116708 1918-1919 Russia North Expedition 246 -- 1918-1920 Russia Siberia Expedition 170 -- 1921-1941 China Yangtze Service 5 -- 1927-1932 Nicaragua 136 -- 1941 North Atlantic Naval War 141 -- 1941 Pearl Harbor 2388 -- 1941-1945 World War II 408306 -- 1941-1945 Numbers are estimates 1950-1953 Korean War 54246 1954 Matsu and Quemoy 3 -- 1957-1975 Vietnam War 58219 1958-1984 Lebanon 268 -- 1962 Cuba 9 -- 1964 Panama Canal Riots 4 -- 1965-1966 Dominican Republic 59 -- 1966-1969 South Korea 89 -- 1967 Israel Attack/USS Liberty 34 -- 1968 Tet (Vietnam) 7040 -- 1980 Iran Operation Desert One 8 -- 1980-1991 Terrorism 28 -- 1983 Grenada 19 1983, 23 Oct Beirut Lebanon 241 -- -- 1983-1991 El Salvador 20 -- 1984-1989 Honduras 1 -- 1986 Libya 2 -- 1987 (3) Persian Gulf 148 -- 1989-1990 Panama 40 1990-1991 Persian Gulf, Op Desert Shield/Storm 363 1991-1992 Somalia, Op Restore Hope 8 -- 1993, Feb 26 Terrorism, World Trade Center 6 1000+ 1995 Terrorism Oklahoma City 168 400+ -- 1995, Nov 13 Terrorism Riyadh, Saudi Arabia 7 -- 1995-2000 Terrorism 77 -- -- 1996, Jun 25 Terroism Khobar Towers, Saudi Arabia 19 -- 2000 Yemen, USS Cole 17 -- 2001, Sept 11 Flight 93 44 -- -- 2001 Operation Enduring Freedom, Afghanistan 89 (U.S.) 2002 Operation Enduring Freedom, Filipines 12 -- -- 2002 Operation Enduring Freedom, Afghanistan Theater 30 -- 2003 2004 Operation Enduring Freedom, Afghanistan Theater 34 -- -- Total American's Killed in Iraq - 2826
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