Post by swimstud600 on Dec 11, 2009 2:14:13 GMT -5
Hello. I understand a couple people in the chat got angry when I came in, ran an `epic and left without a hello or a goodbye, and I had no idea until tonight I'd made anyone mad. So I'm sorry about that. I've also not been around lately and strange as it sounds I guess a few of you have missed me. I'd like to put forward this conversation as to my situation of lately. Goodbye.
Kyle says:
I'll be on for an hour, maybe two. Hopefully you can talk at some point
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Alright.
Just a sec.
Alright.
Sorry to keep you waiting.
I guess Xero's not gonna join us, he's busy or something and isn't responding, so I guess I'll just handle it myself.
Kyle says:
Alrighty, whats up?
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Xero and I wanted to talk about this lack of any sort of manners that's come over you, in particular regard to the chat.
The first time a couple weeks ago, you just wandered into the chat for the first time in some time, and without regard to anyone greeting you despite being in the middle of the conversation, you without a word just `epic'd, then moments later, again ignoring everyone, just left.
This pissed off everyone in the chat at the time, particularly Xero, and I wasn't happy about it when I heard of it from him, and he decided that he needed to sit down and talk to you about it next time you were around.
Kyle says:
Thats whats so damn urgent?
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
However, next time you decided to grace us with your presence, you did the exact same thing again.
Yes, this is what's so damn urgent. Don't take this lightly, Xero's ready to fire you over it.
It's incredibly rude, and as a Staff member you're setting a terrible example by doing something like that.
Kyle says:
Usually when I log into the chat no one says a thing, its usually a couple minutes before anyone realizes I've even logged in.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Neither of those times were the case.
People were talking, and enjoying a conversation when you came in.
Both times you were greeted,
And both times you ignored everyone in the room, interrupted with an epic, then left.
Without saying a word.
It's the equivilent of a friend you never see coming to your birthday party, and just walking in, ignoring everyone, not saying hello, taking a piece of cake, then just walking out the door.
Kyle says:
And I've been busy lately as I've said, and so when I decide to take a 30 second break from my work to enjoy a little bit of ZV, just a brief epic to keep my sanity I figured no one would have a fit over it.
I'm sorry if I interrupted a conversation, I can see how that'd be rude.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
What's stopping you from saying hello, or chatting for a couple minutes? Or at least saying "Hey, I don't got much time, I just wanted to `epic." then doing so, and saying bye?
Kyle says:
However, if someone did a random epic when I was talking I'd probably do a "..." and go on with it.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Interrupting is the least of why we're pissed.
We're pissed at being ignored and the total lack of any common courtesy.
Kyle says:
I guess that's where we differ then, because I don't see what's wrong with me doing a random epic for 30 seconds and then returning to my projects.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Refer to the previously mentioned analogy.
Kyle says:
I didn't even see anyone had talked to me, I logged in, ran a `epic and closed the window.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
And it's not just you and me that differ there if that's the case, cause everyone in the room, and who heard about it thought that was extremely dickish.
Kyle says:
Well I'm sure when you tell the story behind my back there's probably a certain spin to it.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
I don't need to add any spin to make you sound like an asshole. The solid facts of the situation do a fine enough job as it is.
Really. How is coming in and not saying anything, ignoring greetings, running an epic, then leaving without saying anything NOT supposed to be rude?
Kyle says:
If people were as busy as I was and wanted a little ZV in their life, I think they'd understand a little bit better.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Nothing was stopping you from saying hello, or goodbye.
Kyle says:
But I said I can see where interrupting conversations was inconsiderate.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
There's no excuse for that, sorry.
Kyle says:
Uh, conversations tend to go on for more than 30 seconds?
Yeah.
So I appologise for that.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Well, if you don't see what's wrong with the situation, that means you're not gonna stop. And it is a bad example for the other members. So if you can't try a little harder to see what I'm saying, I'm afraid I'm going to have to just second Xero's decidion to remove you from staff.
Kyle says:
I just don't have time to sit in the chat and chew the fat.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Then don't stop by the chat.
Kyle says:
If there's a problem with it then I'll stop coming, fine.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
I'd love to have you in the chat more often, don't get me wrong. But if you can't handle the basic universal rules of conversation...
Kyle says:
You're taking this out of hand, stop embellishing it. I can see that I pissed some people off, I didn't mean to, I just wanted a little bit of ZV, but I can see that I unintentionally made people mad. I'm sorry.
Now a simple "please don't come in, `epic and leave" PM would have worked, you really didn't need to come after me like this.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
I don't think I'm blowing the situation out of proportion. Being ignored is high on my list of pet peeves... And no, I think it was necessary to talk to you about it.
Kyle says:
You're making it sound like a far worse offense. If you think I'm doing something horribly rude you can question me in a far less hostile way.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Like you said, you made a lot of people mad, intentional or not. And it put your job here at risk. I think that warrants an actual conversation, rather than a PM saying "Hey, don't do that."
Kyle says:
fudge my job, this isn't a business its a friendship.
I wouldn't mind being treated like one.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Me either.
A hello and a goodbye would be nice.
Kyle says:
I said I had no idea I'd wronged you, and I appologised.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
And I'm glad. I'm not trying to be hostile because I want to be an asshole, I'm trying to stress the importance of the situation.
Since until I did, you seemed to take it rather lightly and not see that you had done something wrong.
Kyle says:
How was I supposed to know I'd done anything wrong? I only thought I was going in for a random/stupid/funny epic, there was no mal intent there.
Its an honest mistake, not like you've never made one before.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Look man, I love ya, but you're making it rather hard for me to not go off on you again. All this defensive bullshit, that is. You fudgeed up, and you pissed a lot of people off. I'm doing my job as a friend and a ZV Admin by making sure you know that. If you genuinely meant no harm, a "I had no idea, I'm sorry, I won't do it again." will suffice.
Kyle says:
I think I've said that 3 times now...
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
And you did apologize, and I'm glad. But best not to push your luck, cause the additional comments are killing the sincerity.
Like that, for example.
Kyle says:
You're being damn bullheaded yourself.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, huh?
Kyle says:
Look. I'm stressed out, I've got 3 papers to write before tomorrow morning, and apparently a whole forum of my supposed friends are having a fit because I wanted 30 seconds of enjoyment. I appologised. I won't do it again.
You want a goodbye? Fine.
So I hope that clears that up. I'm sorry to anyone who was in the chat whose night I ruined for not saying hi. Goodbye everyone.
Kyle says:
I'll be on for an hour, maybe two. Hopefully you can talk at some point
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Alright.
Just a sec.
Alright.
Sorry to keep you waiting.
I guess Xero's not gonna join us, he's busy or something and isn't responding, so I guess I'll just handle it myself.
Kyle says:
Alrighty, whats up?
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Xero and I wanted to talk about this lack of any sort of manners that's come over you, in particular regard to the chat.
The first time a couple weeks ago, you just wandered into the chat for the first time in some time, and without regard to anyone greeting you despite being in the middle of the conversation, you without a word just `epic'd, then moments later, again ignoring everyone, just left.
This pissed off everyone in the chat at the time, particularly Xero, and I wasn't happy about it when I heard of it from him, and he decided that he needed to sit down and talk to you about it next time you were around.
Kyle says:
Thats whats so damn urgent?
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
However, next time you decided to grace us with your presence, you did the exact same thing again.
Yes, this is what's so damn urgent. Don't take this lightly, Xero's ready to fire you over it.
It's incredibly rude, and as a Staff member you're setting a terrible example by doing something like that.
Kyle says:
Usually when I log into the chat no one says a thing, its usually a couple minutes before anyone realizes I've even logged in.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Neither of those times were the case.
People were talking, and enjoying a conversation when you came in.
Both times you were greeted,
And both times you ignored everyone in the room, interrupted with an epic, then left.
Without saying a word.
It's the equivilent of a friend you never see coming to your birthday party, and just walking in, ignoring everyone, not saying hello, taking a piece of cake, then just walking out the door.
Kyle says:
And I've been busy lately as I've said, and so when I decide to take a 30 second break from my work to enjoy a little bit of ZV, just a brief epic to keep my sanity I figured no one would have a fit over it.
I'm sorry if I interrupted a conversation, I can see how that'd be rude.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
What's stopping you from saying hello, or chatting for a couple minutes? Or at least saying "Hey, I don't got much time, I just wanted to `epic." then doing so, and saying bye?
Kyle says:
However, if someone did a random epic when I was talking I'd probably do a "..." and go on with it.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Interrupting is the least of why we're pissed.
We're pissed at being ignored and the total lack of any common courtesy.
Kyle says:
I guess that's where we differ then, because I don't see what's wrong with me doing a random epic for 30 seconds and then returning to my projects.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Refer to the previously mentioned analogy.
Kyle says:
I didn't even see anyone had talked to me, I logged in, ran a `epic and closed the window.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
And it's not just you and me that differ there if that's the case, cause everyone in the room, and who heard about it thought that was extremely dickish.
Kyle says:
Well I'm sure when you tell the story behind my back there's probably a certain spin to it.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
I don't need to add any spin to make you sound like an asshole. The solid facts of the situation do a fine enough job as it is.
Really. How is coming in and not saying anything, ignoring greetings, running an epic, then leaving without saying anything NOT supposed to be rude?
Kyle says:
If people were as busy as I was and wanted a little ZV in their life, I think they'd understand a little bit better.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Nothing was stopping you from saying hello, or goodbye.
Kyle says:
But I said I can see where interrupting conversations was inconsiderate.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
There's no excuse for that, sorry.
Kyle says:
Uh, conversations tend to go on for more than 30 seconds?
Yeah.
So I appologise for that.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Well, if you don't see what's wrong with the situation, that means you're not gonna stop. And it is a bad example for the other members. So if you can't try a little harder to see what I'm saying, I'm afraid I'm going to have to just second Xero's decidion to remove you from staff.
Kyle says:
I just don't have time to sit in the chat and chew the fat.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Then don't stop by the chat.
Kyle says:
If there's a problem with it then I'll stop coming, fine.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
I'd love to have you in the chat more often, don't get me wrong. But if you can't handle the basic universal rules of conversation...
Kyle says:
You're taking this out of hand, stop embellishing it. I can see that I pissed some people off, I didn't mean to, I just wanted a little bit of ZV, but I can see that I unintentionally made people mad. I'm sorry.
Now a simple "please don't come in, `epic and leave" PM would have worked, you really didn't need to come after me like this.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
I don't think I'm blowing the situation out of proportion. Being ignored is high on my list of pet peeves... And no, I think it was necessary to talk to you about it.
Kyle says:
You're making it sound like a far worse offense. If you think I'm doing something horribly rude you can question me in a far less hostile way.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Like you said, you made a lot of people mad, intentional or not. And it put your job here at risk. I think that warrants an actual conversation, rather than a PM saying "Hey, don't do that."
Kyle says:
fudge my job, this isn't a business its a friendship.
I wouldn't mind being treated like one.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Me either.
A hello and a goodbye would be nice.
Kyle says:
I said I had no idea I'd wronged you, and I appologised.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
And I'm glad. I'm not trying to be hostile because I want to be an asshole, I'm trying to stress the importance of the situation.
Since until I did, you seemed to take it rather lightly and not see that you had done something wrong.
Kyle says:
How was I supposed to know I'd done anything wrong? I only thought I was going in for a random/stupid/funny epic, there was no mal intent there.
Its an honest mistake, not like you've never made one before.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
Look man, I love ya, but you're making it rather hard for me to not go off on you again. All this defensive bullshit, that is. You fudgeed up, and you pissed a lot of people off. I'm doing my job as a friend and a ZV Admin by making sure you know that. If you genuinely meant no harm, a "I had no idea, I'm sorry, I won't do it again." will suffice.
Kyle says:
I think I've said that 3 times now...
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
And you did apologize, and I'm glad. But best not to push your luck, cause the additional comments are killing the sincerity.
Like that, for example.
Kyle says:
You're being damn bullheaded yourself.
[c=#7D04BF]Nightmare[/c] says:
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, huh?
Kyle says:
Look. I'm stressed out, I've got 3 papers to write before tomorrow morning, and apparently a whole forum of my supposed friends are having a fit because I wanted 30 seconds of enjoyment. I appologised. I won't do it again.
You want a goodbye? Fine.
So I hope that clears that up. I'm sorry to anyone who was in the chat whose night I ruined for not saying hi. Goodbye everyone.
