Pokemon in BattleBob

[Nightmare]

Whoah Nelly hopefully you didn't click this thread with super high hopes.

First of all no, this is not an implementation of Tony's silly `pokeball script into BattleBob. This is, however, a thread to discuss a revamp to the Pokeball weapon in BattleBob!


Anyone who's played the game religiously knows that the Pokeball weapon is a nifty 6 use weapon (one for each of your Pokemon!) that describes very generically the player using unidentified Pokemon with silly names doing undefined things to the enemy.

As you would imagine, this is boring as hell. So since a lot of weapons have been undergoing major overhauls in BattleBob, I figure the Pokeball deserves one too.

Obviously I didn't want to make a weapon with 600 possible strikes accounting for every Pokemon you could send out. That'd be way too much of a pain in the ass for me. Even the prospect of limiting it to the first generation was too much, because I don't really wanna do one with 150 strikes either. Ed suggested maybe using one of the Pokeball lists from one of the Smash Bros games but eh. This might be better.


The "this" in question is you guys suggesting to me what Pokemon to put in the Pokeball. Here are some guidelines:


Guidelines

--I will include about 30 Pokemon in the final product.

--I'm going to guarentee positions to Pikachu (because he's the mascot), Raichu (because he's my favorite), Mewtwo (because come on seriously), Celebi (because Aerin begged me to), and one form of each of the three Gen 1 starters (Bulbasaur/Ivysaur/Venasaur, Charmander/Charmeleon/Charizard, and Squirtle/Wartortle/Blastoise.) That means 7 of those slots are taken, so we need about 25 others to include.

--That being said, suggest all of your top picks (and please try to include preferences on which forms of the Gen 1 starters to include) but try to keep the number tame to about 20-30 tops.

--When called, the Pokemon will use an iconic or at least usable move of that Pokemon, so you're free to suggest moves along with the Pokemon you're suggesting.

--BattleBob weapons are capable of damaging the opponent, healing the user, healing the opponent, disarming the opponent, leeching HP from the opponent to heal the user, and breaking enemy guards. Be mindful of this when picking attacks and feel free to take these effects into account when choosing Pokemon and/or abilities they might use when called.

--I'll pick up Pokemon that seem to obviously be popular if they're brought up a lot. Any remaining positions will be put to a poll at a later date.



Some of you may feel I'm the last guy you should be listing off your favorite Pokemon to but I assure you I don't care. I just wanna make this a neat weapon for BattleBob. I'm prepared to add any Pokemon EXCEPT the ice cream ones (so don't even suggest them.)

Now then, feel free to post your lists and suggestions here.

[Tony]

Primeape - Thrash
Snorlax - Body Slam
Kabutops - Slash
Espeon - Psybeam
Donphan - Rollout
Lugia - Aeroblast
Torkoal - Overheat
Seviper - Poison Tail
Absol - Night Slash
Luxray - Wild Charge
Spiritomb - Dark Pulse
Dialga - Roar of Time
Serperior - Leaf Blade
Krookodile - Crunch
Chandelure - Shadow Ball

Additional ideas:
Typhlosion - Flame Wheel
Venusaur - Giga Drain
Charizard - Fire Spin
Blastoise - Hydro Pump
Ho-Oh - Sacred Fire
Beedrill - Twineedle
Haunter - Night Shade
Shedinja - Final Gambit
Wooper - Water Gun
Walrein - Ice Fang
Golduck - Water Pulse
Corsola - Bubble
Electabuzz - ThunderPunch

[Cem]

Latios uses Luster Purge!
Arcanine uses Extreme Speed!
Umbreon uses Moonlight!
Espeon uses Morning Sun!
Electrode uses Explosion! (damages everyone a ton)
Rhydon uses Fissure!
Porygon uses Tri Attack!
MissingNo. Turns your lvl 100 Mew into a lvl 125 Farfetch'd that only knows Transform! You are so pissed off that you throw your gameboy in anger. It bounces around the room and finally smacks you in the face, dealing blah damage.
Haunter uses Night Shade!
Gengar uses Hypnosis and Nightmare!
Dragonair uses Draco Meteor!
Muk uses Sludge Bomb!
Shedinja uses Final Gambit!

[Sorrum]

Metapod - Harden
Venusaur - Whatever you feel like, man
Pikachu - Thunder smash
Voltorb - Explode
Golem - Self destruct
Team Rocket - Blast off again
Psyduck - Useless sighing
Chimchar - Flaming monkey attack

[Tony]

Sept 30, 2013 3:57:45 GMT -5 Cem said:

Shedinja uses Final Gambit!

I'm gonna second this one just for a the comedic factor of it.

Explanation for those of you that aren't well versed in Pokemon. Final Gambit is a move that makes the user faint, but deal damage equal to their current HP, and one of the unique traits of Shedinja is that it always has 1 HP.

[Swim]

Electrode - Explosion (damages everyone)
MissingNo - (something random like swapping HP with opponent or putting everyone's skills/summons/sandwiches and everything else on cooldown, or anything else stupid and random)
Infirnape - Flaming poo throw!
Gyrados - Hyper Beam (heavy hitting move, nothing fancy)
Victribell - Toxic/Wrap combo (poisons opponent and renders them unable to move for several turns, this bullcrap was the worst thing imaginable in gen 1)
Electivire - Cross Chop (destroys the opponent because he's an electric wookie)
Galvantula - Thunder (this crap is 100% accurate)
Braviary - Screech (reduces opponent's defense for several turns making them take more damage. If this move is focused Braviary summons the US Marines because he's a fricking eagle)
Snorlax - (Sits on someone, I dunno)
Zubat - Supersonic (because confusion)

Venusaur - Sleep Powder/Leech Seed combo (puts opponent to sleep and saps their HP for a couple turns)
The Ice Cream Pokemon - (opponent eats your Pokemon and regains HP)

Edit:
Scyther - Swords Dance (takes the opponent's weapon away, disarming them, for the player to keep)

[Tony]

I like how Swim lists a bunch of status ailments that can't actually be done.

[Swim]

Maybe not now, but I think some of these are doable. Lowering defense would work just like /defend, only in the other direction. Skills, Summons and other commands go on cooldown when used, I don't think its a stretch that my attacks could slap a cooldown on you and screw up your next move. I know you can attack and steal your opponent's life. Sleep/confusion/wrap/paralysis and whatnot could just make the opponent lose a turn if nothing else. If these aren't possible fine, I'm okay with that, but if we're updating battlebob then I think adding some new types of attacks would be cool.

[Nightmare]

While some of these effects are creative and interesting, it'd require more work than just a revamped database entry for the weapon, and would require the programming of 3 or 4 new strike types at least, status effects in particular would require an overhaul of how the turn transition works to allow for a standby phase in which secondary effects can take into effect between turns (something Ed and I have privately discussed as a thing we'd like to do, but not something we're prepared to do anytime in the near future.)

So for now, let's try and keep it simple, just limited to Pokemon you think are cool and should be in, keeping effects limited to what's currently possible. Nothing says new Pokemon couldn't be added to the Pokeball at a later date with more unique effects as they become available.

...Though I will say even though I explicitly said no Vannilish, it would almost be worth it to mock the crappiness of the Pokemon if you sent it out and the opponent just ate it and healed.


Also I've seen a couple Venasaurs, but not much else discussing the Gen 1 starters. Should I just assume we wanna use Venasaur, Charizard, and Blastoise?

[Sorrum]

I'd rather have one of each evolutionary stage instead of just the final forms. How about Charmeleon, Squirtle, and Venusaur doing attacks that do reasonable damage for their forms?

Squirtle - Water Gun
Charmeleon - Flamethrower
Venusaur - Solar Beam

i mean thats how they did it in brawl

[Swim]

If its going to be a move that immobilizes the opponent or saps their health I'd rather use Venusaur since he'd more tanky than his prevolutions. If its going to be an attack like Solar Beam it doesn't really matter which evolutionary stage he's in.

If we go with Charizard I think we ought to make use of his wings, maybe to that crazy Seismic Toss from the anime where he flys around the planet and chucks the opponent downward.

Blastoise should get Withdraw or Iron Defense or something that works like /defend for 2-3 turns. Water Gun seems a little boring imo. If we have to go with a water attack from the cannons I'm requesting that after doing /focus before the attack he fires rockets or miniguns from his back instead because that'd be more awesome and stuff.


I thought of one more submission.
Kangaskahn - Fake Out (Kangaskahn bounces around, arms raised like a boxer, seemingly ready to deliver a punch. The opponent is distracted, watching Kangaskahn's arms when its infant pops out of the pouch and punches them in the dick. Opponent loses a turn while they writhe around in pain.)

[Nightmare]

Imma say right now that there is literally nothing in BattleBob that effects the other player's turns or cooldowns. Not yet, anyway, that wouldn't be possible til we implemented a status effect system. And there's nothing that can effect defense either, since defense isn't a stat (the only stat players have in BattleBob is HP.) `defend works with just division; it cuts damage in half normally, cuts it in thirds if it's a `focus defend, and on rare chances players will get a Critical Guard which negates damage dealt while defending. But as it stands there's nothing that modifies how that works, and there are no plans to.

So I'd probably focus my suggestions around the concept of just dealing damage, possibly with creative descriptions. Honestly that's all this is, the point of deciding on Pokemon and moves they use is purely cosmetic. The Pokeball functions perfectly find as a weapon as it is. The functionality of the weapon isn't really up for reform at the moment, I'm just looking for Pokemon and moves that I can use to spice up the descriptions of the attacks. The idea of using other strike types like HP leeching, healing, and disarming is just an added bonus you guys can take advantage of when making suggestions, since those are things weapons in BattleBob can already do so it'd be a really easy way to spice up the weapon.

[Cem]

`pokeball sends out Vanillish. Player licks. Player regains hp.

[Nightmare]

Okay, the Pokeball weapon has been revamped. So I guess this thread is irrelevant.

If you'd like to play with it, there's a new ruleset in BattleBob you can initiate by typing "`battlebob ruleset pokebattle" which forces both players to face each other armed only with Pokeballs!

Thanks for your help, everyone.