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Post by Captain SpExtacular on May 14, 2008 21:35:19 GMT -5
Hell can't exist because it wasn't even a concept until after Christ. It was a Norse pagan concept. The goddess Hel (who rules over the realm of the same name) struck fear into Christian missionaries to the point where they included them eventually into stories in the bible.
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Post by Professor Fann on May 14, 2008 23:16:59 GMT -5
Don't be so sure of yourself.
The whole New Testament was finished being compiled some 300 years after Christ and the earliest manuscript of said Hel was found to be dated abck to the 13th century. Even so, the earliest sign of belief of such a system of hell in Norse mythology, traces back to the 9th century. I think each of these beliefs derived their systems of hell independently, as proven by the centuries worth of time gap.
Even way earlier than either of them is Buddhism, where the term Naraka first appeared and similarly translated as Hell. Back to ... oh say, 5 to 6 hundred BC?
Back to topic - can you believe these gods in Norse paganism to be physical, or something more spiritual? Even the Nordic peoples of that old culture practise ancestor worship, to which tehy believe there is ... afterlife.
If you venerate Norse paganism a lot, why is it that you are contradicting their system of beliefs? They believed in the afterlife too, and probably so should you.
In fact, all previous system of beliefs, even today, hold high the concept of life after death. The only system I see that doesn't believe in all this spiritual things is Communism.
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Post by RELLIK on May 15, 2008 9:20:36 GMT -5
well since time is endless, there is gonna be another zv, and another earth in 545342343654654654etc. years later. but is that the afterlife? Afterlife is best known as being life after the state of having passed away. The existence of anotehr Earth is something physical, which is still there, so ... no, it's not a kind of afterlife. Afterlife is meant for entities with souls only. Why do some of you here fear so much of reincarnation? eternal recurrence is inevitable. time is always flowing. as for spirits. it makes sense if there nrg. but the heaven hell thing is just bs used to manipulate people, or to try and seperate grey into black and white. so when the you/the world/a car many more will be recreated.
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Post by Professor Fann on May 15, 2008 18:42:53 GMT -5
Are there any viable events of which people claim to have been born again from someone of the past identity? And how would you know that reincarnation is inevitable? Similarly, reincarnation is only meant for souls of the dead, not for an entire planet or even a lifeless piece of metal.
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Post by RELLIK on May 16, 2008 9:39:40 GMT -5
people say that, though there crazy.
well what about dreams? what if in the afterlife you only have fragments.
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Post by superkoolkid on May 16, 2008 12:57:53 GMT -5
What if you don't exist???
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Post by Professor Fann on May 16, 2008 21:48:48 GMT -5
If you have the will to live as you are now in the physical world, I don't see any reason why the same shouldn't occur on the other side. What's the point of having life exist on Earth and then just die off when you die? That's the same as not having life at all in the first place.
The very fact that you are born from your mother and that you are standing right here and now is prove that there's life. Where does your soul come from before you were born? No one knows this answer. BUT when you die, you'd find out that you will return back to the place where your soul came from just before you entered your mother's womb.
Does that not make sense?
If it doesn't, I implore you to seek and knock on doors all the time till you get the answers.
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Post by xxvi2us on May 17, 2008 14:41:52 GMT -5
Really nobody knows if Hell exists or not. There's just not enough evidence. It's just a widely shared belief that if you bad you go to Hell.
And Hell is normally ALWAYS depicted as 1.Hot 2.Horrible 3.One place you really don't want to go to
If you're not religeous then of course your going to try to contradict this sort of thing. Most people with a religeon just accept the fact that there is a Heaven or Hell without a second thought.
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Post by Captain SpExtacular on May 19, 2008 22:36:23 GMT -5
Good point. Every other culture, religious or otherwise that never heard of Christianity, Hebrew, or Islam still had several gods and various afterlives. Like the Greek gods, I think you just died and went to hades and that was it.
So with reincarnation then how do they explain the rising population world wide?
Also: If Heaven and hell do exist, then would they configure to you as a person? What if your some kind of masochist in hell, that wouldn't work out to well. Same with heaven, what if you don't like floating on clouds, what if you wanted mountains or something? Or what if your idea of Heaven is Hell, or visa versa.
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Post by Nightmare on May 19, 2008 23:22:43 GMT -5
That's a very good point. Two people can have very different ideas of heaven and hell and still be good people. That in a way contradicts the descriptions of them.
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Post by Peytral on May 20, 2008 18:27:42 GMT -5
Good point. Every other culture, religious or otherwise that never heard of Christianity, Hebrew, or Islam still had several gods and various afterlives. Like the Greek gods, I think you just died and went to hades and that was it. In Greek mythology, when somebody died, they went to one of three places, all located in Hades(I think). There was a lively heaven-like place for all the good people, a neutral(although slightly hellish in my opinion) place where you were alone and nothing really happens, and a place where you must do repetitive tasks like rolling an extremely heavy boulder up a hill, only for it to roll back down again, and when you try to get a drink of water, the water turns to ash or something. *Just provides useless info for the hell of it*
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