"political argument" thread

[RELLIK]

my point was that bush is imo still having problems. i don tthi nk that you can just say hes made a few mistakes. i think theyre not too many mistakes but BIG mistakes. and i dont beleive the "conspiracy" thing nor do i beleive its false. all im saying is that i can try and get the files bout it if my pops still has them. so if you want some info on the stuff lemme know and ill see if i can get them. i kinda went off course to "explain" it but thats not my point. sry i screw up in my typing/writing i dont have a format. i hate paragraphs!!

[Knuckles]

guss what time it is kiddies? its time i pwn nmmz in an argument again. watch closely kids as i rip apart his argument piece by piece

nightmaremmzero said:

1. I hate having political arguements with democrats, they're so closed minded.
2. Alter, the day you beat me in an arguement is the day Hell freezes over, and Vilex grows a brain (XD)
3. I'll call whoever I want a Nazi.
4. Bush is not a moron, you guys don't hate him for the things that count. All you guys can come up with are things that are far in the past and chokeing on a pretzel. Seriously, chokeing doesn't determine how smart a person is, wtf?

Now I don't think I'll come here ever again either, at least not until you people start comeing up with intelegent arguements, instead of this retarded lies, dumbasserey, and slander.

And be noted, I don't call people's ideas stupid, and I don't call people Nazis, unless I really believe it of course.

1. um... thats a bit of a joke. ive offered you evidence to back up my argument. ill believe you.. or at least consider your view some more when you present some
2. guess that was yesterdai man
3. ill deal with this in the bit below
4. choking on a pretxel was a joke... i thought u could see that. OBVIOUSLY i overestimated you. and did you not look at the rest of my evidence? oh... right i forgot your closed minded so you ignore anything you dont like.

as for the rest. im hurt you tihnk im a nazi and you did come back, and um retarded lies generally dont have proof and make sense... so i guess your telling one there since what ive been saying at least has been the truth or at leasat as far as evidence makes it seem

nightmaremmzero said:

I know I said I'd never come back here, but
1. Rellik, you're f**king insane, if you think Bush had ANYTHING to do with 9/11
2. Yondaime, I realize you're kinda caught up in the moment of a political arguement, but keep in mind that I'm an athority figure on ZV, so show at least some respect.
3. Everyone knows Ferenheit 9/11 was bullsh*t. Anyone who believes it wasn't has no clue what they're talking about.
4. There WERE weapons of mass destruction. I saw them confiscating them on T.V with my own eyes.

1. actually there was a major thing about it, it was even on bbc a while back. google, it theres a lot of evidence
2. um so we gotta respect you.. yet your free to call us nazis, which is, just so ya know, incredibly disrespectful. sounds like a dictatorship to me... wernt you critisising commies cause they had had dictators, even though their ideas are great on paper. so your judging from a few bad eggs. in which case ALL AMERICANS ARE IDIOTS BASED ON THE NMMZ REASONING SYSTEM. I HAVE SEEN SOME IDIOTS, THEREFORE ALL ARE STUPID AND THEIR WAY OF LIFE IS EVIL.
hmm.. thats fair isnt it
3. wheres your proof? the guy in the film (forgot his name) had proof. wheres yours? oh you have none. so stfu and stop bulls******g other peoples ideas cos you dont liek em but have no support for your alligations
4. hmm... got any proof? web links? witnesses? pictures? i have a lot that says otherwise... and noone else saw these.... guess you dont then


now finally. in a bid to prove nmmz wrong, that we aint closed minded, i will be prepared to compromise and even change my views if he cna PROVE me wrong with REAL PROOF that i can see. in the words of Othello "ocular proof". otherwise, i guess i just well and truly pwned him

thank you
oh wait nearly forgot

---you just got pwned by me, Alter, NightmareMegaManZero if you wish for more of a pwning, please come back with more bulls**t arguments with no evidence to support you. otherwise, please shut the f*** up and stop stating opinion as fact. only people who can PROVE it may do that. thank you---
*ka-owned*

[swimstud600]

I knew that was coming. Alter I want to know what you make of my arguement below his first one.

[Sonic]

*reads Alter's argument* Good lord...

[Knuckles]

still being in iraq swimstud? that one?
well i would make a better post if i took more time, but for now ill say this
america and britain there IS provoking to the iraqis and other middle eastern countries imo
HOWEVER leaving may mean the country falls to a dictator
it would have been better never to invade and to avoid this situation, however, now that we are all there, i suggest slowish withdrawl, so forces slowly move out over say a year to briong the troops home, but have someone to keep the peace. all of us need out so we aint wasting money on arms and stuff.
however i havent reallly thought about it much atm so i might come back later and post somethin completely difrent later

[Sonic]

This is all I have to say
www.youtube.com/?v=VJW9D4U5Vb4
www.youtube.com/?v=q8dfO5_N9L8

[swimstud600]

[/quote]Wars are illegal. Harboring terrorists is illegal. Sadam did not attack us, we all know that, we're past that. But there are no good and bad terrorists. All terrorists are bad.
Communism is the best system on paper but real life doesn't work that way. That's why the soviets fell, communism didn't work. Now if you are a communist that's your business, I personally don't want that.
Bush has made alot of decisions that I don't agree with, and he's costing the country alot of money. But when it comes down to it, I trust him to protect America. I trust him to make mistakes and spend alot of cash but I trust him to keep us safer.
Nuking japan was the right decision. As horrific as that was, the japenese were incredably fortified. All statistics say that if the nuke wasn't dropped the war could have gone on for another year, and even MORE people would have died than those who died in the nuke. Its horrific but in dropping the nuke we saved countless lives on both sides.
You're right its not ok to kill innocents but that is what happens sometimes in war. Bin Laden himself said that if they weren't preoccupied with matters in Iraq, we'd have had another attack in the US by now. Then that would be OUR civilians. Get that through your heads.
I like to stay in the middle politically but that had to be said.[/quote]

This is actually the one I wanted you to pick apart Alter.

[Ztrl]

protoman said:

T.V. can be very misleading, then again so can any other form of media, such as newspapers and the internet..

what you see on t.v. and hear on the radio is all monitered be the government. you hear and see what they want you too.

and i'm going to shock you all in this next statement.

I was a republican.


but bush changed my mind about that real quick.

[swimstud600]

Wow that is really shocking. And so was I. But I won't say I'm a Democrat either. I don't like alot of what they do. I like a little of both sides, which will make it difficult for me to decide who to vote for next election.

[Xero Bloodline]

I realize I'm a little late getting into this, but I've been away, and I'm slowly playing catch up. So here's the deal;

If you cannot have civilized discussions with each other without cutthroating each other, DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION. I will not tolerate such blatant, rude, and disorderly language between members, ESPECIALLY TO STAFF. Like it or not, those stars mean something, and you will respect the staff. By the same token, we will respect you, and not let our emotions overwhelm us. If this sort of behavior rises again, and I don't mean just political discussions, people will be removed from this forum by force.

Personally, I don't get into politics, so I am staying out of this discussion. But if it continues, I WILL be monitoring it. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing and arguing on a worthy subject as this, but there is no reason to be rude or disrespectful to one another. Remember that, because I will not repeat myself.

[Frozt]

Oh my god, this was really getting out of hand!

[darkreaver]

xerobloodline said:

I realize I'm a little late getting into this, but I've been away, and I'm slowly playing catch up. So here's the deal;

If you cannot have civilized discussions with each other without cutthroating each other, DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION. I will not tolerate such blatant, rude, and disorderly language between members, ESPECIALLY TO STAFF. Like it or not, those stars mean something, and you will respect the staff. By the same token, we will respect you, and not let our emotions overwhelm us. If this sort of behavior rises again, and I don't mean just political discussions, people will be removed from this forum by force.

Personally, I don't get into politics, so I am staying out of this discussion. But if it continues, I WILL be monitoring it. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing and arguing on a worthy subject as this, but there is no reason to be rude or disrespectful to one another. Remember that, because I will not repeat myself.

Ah let them be.. they are just proving the facts thatwithout politics, this world might still be a paradise...
I belive, The 9/11 was (Not entirely) Bushes fault.

[Ztrl]

this is against my better judgement...but i'm going to unlock this thread.

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I think that covers it.

Now lets try to be civalized about this shall we?