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Post by Professor Fann on Feb 17, 2008 23:03:03 GMT -5
Hmm .... so if religion is false and all the teachings in there is false, does that give you the reason to act as freely as you want, even going into the dark side? Fanwriter... As far as God destroying the earth, it's possible, but it'd be more likely that we'd end up causing the doomsday ourselves. What with the freewill that was supposedly given to us by God... And that's what we people ought to do - never throw garbage in a river, the regulators should crack down on people cutting down too many trees and polluting the rivers, we should plant more trees and more importantly, be nice to each other and respect the total bannation of gun sales. On another there's a curious documentary of the universe I watched a few months ago. They say in 5 billion years the Sun will die out. But at the same time, the Andromeda galaxy is heading fast to our glaxay the Milky Way. Collision is due in 3 billion years and total merger at 5 billion years. We won't notice it if Earth is at the far edge of the galaxy and by chance, we might just get a new Sun.
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Post by Captain SpExtacular on Feb 17, 2008 23:53:19 GMT -5
Hmm .... so if religion is false and all the teachings in there is false, does that give you the reason to act as freely as you want, even going into the dark side? On another there's a curious documentary of the universe I watched a few months ago. They say in 5 billion years the Sun will die out. But at the same time, the Andromeda galaxy is heading fast to our glaxay the Milky Way. Collision is due in 3 billion years and total merger at 5 billion years. We won't notice it if Earth is at the far edge of the galaxy and by chance, we might just get a new Sun. I'm not saying that the bible and stuff doesn't hold some good principals for developing society through teaching lessons of those fallen before us in order for us to learn and try to perfect what we have now. I am saying that in my personal belief, then god is simply a tool used to teach us lessons and not actually a supreme being living in clouds. To me that sounds completely absurd. And I'm not quite sure what you meant by going to the "dark side" but if that means Satanism then I should point out that I think that Satanists are some of the dumbest people on the planet. I own several books on it and from all that I have read, its a bunch of lame emos attempting to justify anything they want to do thats taboo by screaming out Satan's name. It's ridiculous and stupid. And from what I've heard the universe is expanding constantly and that chance for the milky way to survive in like 5 billion years or what ever would be basically impossible. But scientists change their minds every day so i dunno.
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Post by Reaver on Feb 18, 2008 1:33:50 GMT -5
to put it simple, its coming one day. No one knows when, no one knows the cause.
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Post by Professor Fann on Feb 18, 2008 23:04:44 GMT -5
You can remain either thining that way, or stop closing yourself and try to search for the reasons behind Doomsday and what's it going to do exactly.
And sometimes you must be able to differentiate facts and fakes. Otherwise throughout your life you'd keep on assuming things on its negative sides.
The Bible has many stories here and there, and just as its moral principles, they are surely written for some sort of reason. You cannot simply diss the Bible overall just because you assume the stories are so fake. Haven't you trying read it through?
There's a reason for the Doomsday, and don't just simply assume the world is really going to end literally as in explosions and such. Try searching for the reason the Bible mentioned it and perhaps you'd get a great answer.
The universe is expanding alright, but how would you know if the Milky Way is going to burst if you don't even know what its galactic center is?
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Post by Paranoid on Feb 19, 2008 6:30:39 GMT -5
Actually, I have read lots of the bible, I used to be catholic until I realize the stuff my parents and schools were teaching me was BS. the bible just has a bunch of stuff that defies the laws of science.
and I don't think the milky way would burst, but surely some cosmic disaster will eventually befall us
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Post by Nightmare on Feb 19, 2008 7:05:20 GMT -5
Hm. As I stated before in this thread, Doomsday will come. At least for Earth. The Sun is a star, and it's gonna go through phases. From where it's at now, it can either turn into a red Giant, and become huge, and we'll all burn. Or it'll shrink down into a White Dwarf, and we'll all freeze. Either way, the Earth will become uninhabbitable. We got a million/billion years before that happens though.
But just because Earth is screwed, doesn't mean mankind is. If you look at the advances in technology we've gone through in just 2000 short years alone, one can only imagine what we'll be capable with a few million more years under our belts. By the time the sun's ready to change phases, it's likely we'll all be gone.
Though there's also the possibilities of man making the planet uninhabittable before then, or the off chance of us getting hit by a meteor. Either way though, I'm certain we'll have the technology to leave Earth and either find another inhabittable planet, or make another one livable by then.
And even if we don't pull that off, and we all go down with Earth, that doesn't mean life as we know it will end. We exist, so why not others like us? What makes humans, on this one planet, Earth, in this one galaxy, so special that we're the only life in the vast, vast universe? Hell, not just life, intellegent life! I'm not suggesting that little green men are flying over here to inspect us, but for all we know, out there somewhere there can be intelligent life and civilizations just as advanced as ours, or maybe less, or maybe even more so.
Doomsday WILL come for Earth, it's inevitable. But the end of Earth doesn't mean the end of humanity, and certainly not the end of life.
Though I can't say whether or not Doomsday will come for all life someday. It seems inevitable, that one day, all life will cease to exist, but when you think about it, it could also just as easily be possible that we could go on indefinately. I'm not suggesting that God, or some other kind of divine being is gonna protect life, that's just silly. Even if there was a God that was watching us and making all this stuff happen, he's gotta get bored eventually. It's just like playing the Sims. >.>;
But I'd like to think it's possible for life to continue existing forever, be it in some place, way, and form. Though that doesn't mean that we're all not f**ked. The end of all life is just as plausible.
So I guess to answer the poll question, it depends. Do I believe that Earth will be destroyed/become uninhabittable? Certainly. Do I believe that humanity will come to an end? It's certainly possible. Do I believe that all life will one day cease to exist? No idea.
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Post by Professor Fann on Feb 19, 2008 23:51:53 GMT -5
As a person who enjoys to build cities and stuff, I'd prefer to think that Doomsday means that the entire purpose of the Bible, to tell people that there's the fight between good and evil, is coming to an end.
There's be no more evil, but over a gradual process of time, and everyone can get the answers he or she will be looking for. Everyone will be able to live freely without any fear of wrongs and such.
And that is all.
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Post by Nightmare on Feb 20, 2008 3:18:23 GMT -5
You think that Doomsday is when the forces of evil are smudged out and the secrets of life are revealed? Wait, you expect there to ever be a time when there's no evil in the world? No offense man, but you must be high on glue. XD
"Doomsday." The word in itself I thought pretty clearly illustrated that it's "The day that doom will come." I guess if you see peace and understanding as evil, that definition could work for Doomsday, but I think it better refers to the end of the world, or the end of humanity, or the end of life (as I said in my post, it depends on which of those the term reffers to on what my position on Doomsday is.)
Furthermore, there is no such thing as a world without evil. Because without evil, there is no good, and then the whole system falls apart. Not aiming to offend you, but I've always thought the idea of world peace was naive, although in a perfect world, it's an ideal. But then again the world is far from perfect. And no amount of change will fix that. =/
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Post by Professor Fann on Feb 20, 2008 22:31:10 GMT -5
I thought we discussed that together the other time. But no matter, it's your beliefs and my beliefs respectively.
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Post by Nightmare on Feb 22, 2008 1:01:51 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with beliefs. Doomsday means Doom. And there is no good without evil. But both are completely irrelevent to the topic, I'd say. Let's get back on track.
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Post by Professor Fann on Feb 22, 2008 23:09:04 GMT -5
Doom can be largely translated in regard to anything. Though it is popularly referred to the Earth's autobiography, it doesn't necessarily mean that, does it?
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Post by Nightmare on Feb 22, 2008 23:19:51 GMT -5
"Doom refers to a state or feeling of impending and inevitable destruction and ruin, far beyond mere trouble."
That's the definition of Doom. >___>;
Doomsday generally reffers to the apocalypse, or something similar. There's no doubt that Doomsday is associated with death and destruction. The only variable is the context of Doomsday, as in, as I previously stated, does it refer to the end of all life? The end of life on Earth? Or the end of Mankind?
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Post by Paranoid on Feb 23, 2008 9:44:32 GMT -5
I would interpret doomsday as either the death of all earthly life, the death of all human life, or the entire destruction of the earth itself.
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Post by Sonic on Feb 23, 2008 10:42:33 GMT -5
Nightmare basically summed up my sentiments with his first post on this page. The earth will eventually be inhospitable or just destroyed altogether. But it'll take an extremely long time for that to happen, unless some stray meteor hits us.
And...that's it. I'm not gonna put any religious inflections on the matter, 'cause I'm not religious.
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Post by Professor Fann on Feb 24, 2008 1:11:43 GMT -5
I simply think that those dooms listed are too exaggerated.
There is already doom in Africa, doom in N America, in Asia, in everywhere ... but lots of different forms.
There's doom of social values. Basically everywhere there's corruption and injustice and lack of respect for social values.
There's doom for the agriculture. China, India and Africa are struggling with droughts and famines non-stop, despite the occasional good harvest.
There's the doom of peace. Serbs and Kosovars are still fighting. There's no sight of peace in the countries where civil wars last for decades. Isn't peace doomed there?
This might sound as a play on words to you, but doomsday can exist in many different forms as opposed to the conventional ideas you have about the issue.
Doom has the same meaning as the "end". Just as you are saying the end of life and the universe, there is the end of social values, the end of sustainable agriculture, the end of peace. It's all around us.
... Refute me.
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