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Post by Paranoid on Feb 29, 2008 8:01:17 GMT -5
We would all be dead without CO2
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Post by Professor Fann on Mar 1, 2008 8:22:04 GMT -5
It's O2 not CO2, which we need...
Anyways, info-wise, the deuty of the oceans are to serve as basins to absorb CO2 to contribute to the cycle of marine life.
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Post by Captain SpExtacular on Mar 4, 2008 22:08:05 GMT -5
no co2 = no plants = no o2 = no air = no people
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Post by Professor Fann on Mar 5, 2008 0:47:09 GMT -5
In that sense, yes.
But not the way Paranoid Mage put it earlier.
You provided a longer and more accurate equation which makes sense, but I detest the shorter version of that equation.
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Post by Nightmare on Mar 5, 2008 2:00:36 GMT -5
Both mean the same thing, FanWriter. Without CO2 we'd all be dead. You're right in saying that SpEX's is more precise, but Paranoid's is no less correct. =O
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Post by Paranoid on Mar 5, 2008 7:12:34 GMT -5
and also, without those autotrophic plants to eat, all of the trophic levels above them would die out.
But the burning of every hydrocarbon creates CO2, so your gonna have to get some into the environment anyway, even natural occurrences add it to the atmosphere. Sure we emit a lot more, but you can't stop burning, you have to cook food. You can't outlaw cars because we need them because of the way society works now. all the blades of grass and every tree will use up our carbon dioxide eventually anyway.
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Post by Captain SpExtacular on Mar 5, 2008 21:14:20 GMT -5
Seaweed produces like more oxygen than almost every plant.
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Post by Reaver on Mar 18, 2008 7:14:16 GMT -5
That statistic is the total opposite of whats happening in north Europe.. for the last 4 years or so it started to snow 2 months later than normally.. Also when I was a kid the coldest temperature at winter was like -30 celcius, now it barely reaches -20. maximum temperature at summer however has rose by about 10 celcius. And as I said, it's been like this for the last 3-5 years. Also, I saw somewhere that the past few years there have been several times as many tsunamis, tornadoes/hurricanes etc. weather disasters as there was like 10 years ago or so. It's not global "warming" it's global "weather getting messed up". be it cause of stupid stinking humans or natural cause.. If ice age 2 or end of the world comes we're fudgeed up no matter what causes it. Humans aren't smart enough yet to understand the complexity of the ecosystem completely.. Seriously, I'm not that worried about our C02 production. Volcanoes alone dwarf our production of greenhouse gases each year. (1. A theory said that the eruption of one of the biggest volcanoes on earth caused the 1st ice age. Also volcanoes have been since the beginning of this planet, of course it can withstand them now as they're natural. And would be necessary if there weren't humans... (2. by the rate population increases there will be 10 times more cars in next 10 years. (said Toyota commercial).. witch is kinda hard to imagine.. like how the hell are you going to fit all of them on the road... but anyway. that would be what.. over.. fairly over 10 billion cars? (3. Rain forests suck up most of the CO2, and their being cut down. Our forests aren't going anywhere. For every tree that's cut down, two more are planted. The loggers don't wanna run out of business anymore than anybody else. But again, that's an issue for another thread. Um... I disagree, it takes around 10-20 seconds to cut down one tree, cut the branches off and chop it in transportable pieces if you used the modern machinery (I've seen one in action.. it's god damn fast), but it takes around 30-100 years for a seed to grow into a tree. Did you forget that trees need to grow? <_< Let me do the math for you... A full grown tree has tens of thousands leaves that take in the CO2, a tree thats 5 years old would have around the same amount one branch of the 100 year old tree has. So if you cut down 1 tree every minute for 8 hours/day for 1 year.. ((60*8=480)*365.24=175315,2) trees per year that just ONE man can theoretically cut down if he takes a few breaks now and then and moves from one tree to another.... Even if you planted twice as many trees to replace the ~170 thousand, It would take over 70 years for those trees to be "ready" to be used as lumber again or for them to be anywhere near as effective "air cleaners". (Also, some of the trees would die / be eaten by animals before they reach the age of 10... So sure, the trees would come back eventually.. meanwhile however, there wouldn't be nearly as much trees to clean the air. Now another math problem that nature will solve in the next 300 years or so: If you increase pollution and reduce the effectiveness of the air cleaner, whats going to happen? I don't know, We'll see it soon enough I guess. Simple Solution, Just get more Solar/Wind/Water/Nuclear power plants and start making more hydrogen cars and hydrogen engines that fit old cars THAT DON'T COST TOO MUCH so ppl can actually buy them... Then everyone can be happy, even the hippies and terrorists as hydrogen is near infinite, it pollutes 3 times less than the cars we now have do, it could be turned into a bomb way easier, AND the cars preform better too..... As I said, simple solution denied by hypocrite hippies and the undecillionare(thats 10 36) Arabian oil companies, Yanno they invented a car that basically runs on water a looong time ago, the oil companies just bought the rights for the engine and scrapped it for the obvious reason... why run a car that smells bad, pollutes and costs alot to run? Ok I'm done.
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Post by Captain SpExtacular on Mar 28, 2008 21:32:26 GMT -5
Like I've stated before, America is now trying to become as eco-friendly as possible. Nightmare was right in that for each tree cut down two are planted. Also a tree has to be a certain age before being cut down. I go up to the mountains all the time and I see the logging and the replanting. They divide up sections of the forest into which trees so you can tell what set was planted when, It's pretty cool. Also the sea weed forests in California put out more oxygen than the rain forests, not saying the rain forests don't do anything, it's just a fact. I also think rain forest conservation is important.
Ok so now back onto the topic of the planet heating up. Well this winter we've had record snow fall nation wide and it's been really really freaking cold. It's now the end of March and officially spring, and we have snow falling. Tonight the temp. is supposed to drop and crap is supposed to freeze or something.
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Post by Professor Fann on Mar 30, 2008 20:12:11 GMT -5
I think this statistics provided is too immature to let us conclude that global warming is natural. Anyone noticed the Wilkin Shelf incident just recently? That giant mass of ice didn't break off by itself. And I supprot Taro all the way. Most sound arguments there is to the world realities. Though some goodies are good, overall because of that, we cannot ignore the overall negatice situation. Global warming is real and alive.
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Post by Nightmare on Apr 17, 2008 23:22:31 GMT -5
It is not. It's a load of crap. It's snowing in April. SNOWING in APRIL. That's more than enough evidance for me. XD
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Post by Captain SpExtacular on Apr 17, 2008 23:23:29 GMT -5
No shiit! Ice Age people! WAKE UP!
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Post by Professor Fann on Apr 17, 2008 23:37:22 GMT -5
It is not. It's a load of crap. It's snowing in April. SNOWING in APRIL. That's more than enough evidance for me. XD What is not and what is crap? And snowing in April in where?
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Post by Nightmare on Apr 17, 2008 23:50:14 GMT -5
Global Warming is crap, and it's snowing in April HERE. D=
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Post by Professor Fann on Apr 18, 2008 0:04:33 GMT -5
I prefer to think that ice ages are now impossible, because the triggers responsible for causing ice ages will usually result in the process itself taking months, but we are now living in an era of longterm consequences.
And I'd say that global warming caused the imbalance of mositure distribution, which might explain the sudden flood of frozen moisture, aka snow, in your area.
Global warming is one of those long term things, but as far as I know the formation of ice prior to the ice age takes much shorter time. Or else, we'd be seeing one now in New York.
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